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Old 04-14-2004, 11:47 AM   #1
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I don't claim to think or know that the Wunderlich Aptitude Test is a good estimate of a players intelligence or ability on the football field, but the results sure were interesting....

I think it's curious that our two covetted picks, Taylor and Winslow, scored a horrible 10 and 12, respectively. I'm just worried that neither of these guys will be able to learn the playbook before the 2012 season!

It's also interesting that in a possible trade down scenario, we could end up with Will Smith and Ben Watson, with scores of 23 and 41!! (not that I'm advocating...)

How does everyone feel about this test??



WRs
Larry Fitzgerald, Pittsburgh - 18
Roy Williams, Texas - 17
Rashaun Woods, Oklahoma State - 21
Reggie Williams, Washington - 17
Lee Evans, Wisconsin - 27
Michael Clayton, LSU - 19
Michael Jenkins, Ohio State - 20
Devery Henderson, LSU - 17
Keary Colbert, Southern Cal - 21
Ernest Wilford, Virginia Tech - 19
Bernard Berrian, Fresno State - 20

QBs
Drew Henson, Michigan - 42
Eli Manning, Mississippi - 39
Ben Roethlisberger, Miami (OH) - 25
Craig Krenzel, Ohio State - 38
Philip Rivers, North Carolina State - 30
J.P. Losman, Tulane - 31
Cody Pickett, Washington - 19
Matt Schaub, Virginia - 30
John Navarre, Michigan - 24
Josh Harris, Bowling Green - 25
Casey Clausen, Tennessee - 20
Jeff Smoker, Michigan State - 23
Jason Fife, Oregon - 26
Matt Mauck, LSU - 30
Eli Roberson, Kansas State - 11
B.J. Symons, Texas Tech - 22
Jared Lorenzen, Kentucky - 28
Bradlee Van Pelt, Colorado State - 25
Rod Rutherford, Pittsburgh - 17

TEs
Ben Watson, Georgia - 41
Kellen Winslow, Miami - 12
Ben Troupe, Florida - not listed
Ben Utecht, Minnesota - 22
Ben Hartsock, Ohio State - 32
Jason Peters, Arkansas - 9
Jeff Dugan, Maryland - 24
Sean Ryan, Boston College - 35
Chris Cooley, Utah State - 32
Tim Euhus, Oregon State - 34

RBs
Steven Jackson, Oregon State - 28
Kevin Jones, Virginia Tech - 15
Chris Perry, Michigan - 20
Greg Jones, Florida State - 25
Tatum Bell, Oklahoma State - 18
Julius Jones, Notre Dame - 16
Michael Turner, Northern Illinois - 35
Maurice Clarett, Ohio State - 20
Fred Russell, Iowa - 9
Mewelde Moore, Tulane - 19
Cedric Cobbs, Arkansas - 14
Jarrett Payton, Miami (FL) - 12

Guards
Vernon Carey, Miami (FL) - 18
Chris Snee, Boston College - 19
Steve Peterman, LSU - 20
Justin Smiley, Alabama - 21
Sean Locklear, North Carolina State - 19
Adrien Clarke, Ohio State - 24
Shannon Snell, Florida - 28
Alan Reuber, Texas AM (T) - 24
Jacob Bell, Miami (OH) - 22
Anthonly Herrera, Tennessee - 23
Antonio Hall, Kentucky - 20

Tackles
Robert Gallery, Iowa - 23
Shawns Andrews, Arkansas - 20
Kelly Butler, Purdue - 29
Nat Dorsey, Georgia Tech - 35
Jacob Rogers, Southern Cal - 29
Carlos Joseph, Miami (FL) - 7
Tony Pape, Michigan - 23
Mark Wilson, California - 30
Kirk Chambers, Stanford - 29
Max Starks, Florida (OG) - 35
Travelle Wharton, South Carolina - 12
Sean Bubin, Illinois - 24
Shane Olivea, Ohio State - 18
Brian Rimpf, East Carolina - 35
Adrian Jones, Kansas - 17
Stacey Andrews, Mississippi - 15

LBs
D.J. Williams Miami (FL) - 21
Karlso Dansby, Auburn - 15
Daryl Smith, Georgia Tech - 13
Teddy Lehman, Oklahoma - 39
Dontarrious Thomas, Auburn - 24
Michael Boulware, Florida State - 24
Kendyll Pope, Florida State - 18
Keyaron Fox, Georgia Tech - 16
Demorrio Williams, Nebraska - 12
Courtney Watson, Notre Dame - 24
Bryan Hickman, Kansas State - 16
Jonathan Vilma, Miami (FL) - 23
Niko Koutouvides, Purdue - 28
Rod Davis, Southern Miss - 18

CBs
DeAngelo Hall, Virginia Tech - 23
Chris Gamble, Ohio State - 9
Dunta Robinson, South Carolina - 13
Will Poole, Southern Cal - 14
Ahmad Carroll, Arkansas - 17
Derrick Strait, Oklahoma - 15
Ricardo Colclough, Tusculum - 11
Joey Thomas, Montana State - 19
Nathan Vasher, Texas - 13
Keiwan Ratliff, Florida - 18
Jeremy LeSueur, Michigan - 16
Keith Smith, McNeese State - 17
Vontez Duff, Notre Dame - 16

FS
Sean Taylor, Miami (FL) - 10
Matt Ware, UCLA - 22
Stuart Schweigert, Purdue - 28
Jason Shivers, Arizona State - 14
Sean Jones, Georgia - 18
Brandon Everage, Oklahoma - 15
Will Allen, Ohio State - 13

DEs
Will Smith, Ohio State - 23
Kenechi Udeze, Southern Cal - 18
Marquise Hill, LSU - 13
Antwan Odom, Alabama - 10
Darrion Scott, Ohio State - 12
Jason Babin, Western Michigan - 22
Isaac Hilton, Hampton - 23
Uyi Osunde, Connecticut - 21
Travis Laboy, Hawaii - 29
Shaun Phillips, Purdue - 17
Bo Schobel, TCU - 27
Andrew Shull, Kansas State - 21
Dave Ball, UCLA - 25
Bobby McCray, Florida - 14
Gabe Nyenhuis, Colorado - 7

DTs
Tommie Harris, Oklahoma - 11
Vince Wilfork, Miami (FL) - 10
Marcus Tubbs, Texas - 21
Randy Starks, Maryland - 20
Darnell Dockett, Florida State - 17
Donnell Washington, Clemson - 8
Dwan Edwards, Oregon State - 29
Chad Lavalais, LSU - 10
Igor Olshansky, Oregon - 29
Isaac Sopoaga, Hawaii - 8
Matthias Askew, Michigan State - 10
Tank Johnson, Washington - 16
Darrell Campbell, Notre Dame - 21
Junior Siavii, Oregon - 15
Tim Anderson, Ohio State - 25
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Old 04-14-2004, 11:57 AM   #2
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Those results are pretty interesting . . .Taylor is dumber than a piece of turd!
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Old 04-14-2004, 12:04 PM   #3
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I wonder how these results compare to current players such as Randy Moss, Lavar, and Roy Williams.
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Old 04-14-2004, 12:04 PM   #4
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I wouldn't put too much stock in these numbers. Keep in mind the following scores:

Brian Griese 39
Brett Favre 22
Dan Marino 16
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I wouldn't put too much stock in these numbers. Keep in mind the following scores:

Brian Griese 39
Brett Favre 22
Dan Marino 16
What about Ade Jimoh - Score = 49 (I'm assuming)??!!

Maybe the Wonderlich is an aptitude test for Acting - based of Marino in Ace Ventura!!

Surely, intelligence doesn't make you a good football player, but it must count for something...
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Far all it's worth, I remember the knock on Shuler being that he was dumb as a box of rocks, he scored very low on the test and he turned out to be an all pro! Oh wait, he was dumb and he stunk....maybe there's something to it.
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It's like any other test. Jerry Rice didn't have an impressive 40 time but nobody can deny he was fast on the field.

This is the time of year where people put way too much stock in 40 times, Wonderlic scores, bench presses, etc. All they really should be concerned about is can the guy play football. Period.

Marino is the perfect example, his score is awful, yet would anyone say he was a 'dumb' football player? The guy could read a defense with the best of them and made lightening quick decisions. Same for Favre. Look at Griese, where has that score gotten him in the league?

There are more important things that just can't be measured by tests. Heart, leadership, guts, instinct, etc.
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Old 04-14-2004, 12:42 PM   #8
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Marino is the perfect example, his score is awful, yet would anyone say he was a 'dumb' football player? The guy could read a defense with the best of them and made lightening quick decisions.

That's just it! I'm worried that Sean Taylor may not be able to "read" the offense if he can't even read comic books without spelling out things phonetically...

OK, not really - but I think its funny that Taylor needs a calculator to count to five and thinks algebra is a fungus that grows on girls underwear....
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What about Ade Jimoh - Score = 49 (I'm assuming)??!!

Maybe the Wonderlich is an aptitude test for Acting - based of Marino in Ace Ventura!!

Surely, intelligence doesn't make you a good football player, but it must count for something...
Or Favre in "Something About Mary".

What was Alex Karras's Wonderlic? He was brilliant in "Blazing Saddles".
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Remember that Alex Karras said that he spent only two terms at Iowa - - Eisenhower and Kennedy.
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Old 04-14-2004, 04:10 PM   #11
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Anyone have a link that explains this test, ive never read much about it. Ive seen a lot of those players play and their on the field skills are more than impressive. Ive talked to Taylor a few times before class and he didnt seem like the dumbest guy, he seemed like a football player, but hey, thats what he is. If all he can do is read a playbook and a QBs eyes then im happy.
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Anyone have a link that explains this test, ive never read much about it. Ive seen a lot of those players play and their on the field skills are more than impressive. Ive talked to Taylor a few times before class and he didnt seem like the dumbest guy, he seemed like a football player, but hey, thats what he is. If all he can do is read a playbook and a QBs eyes then im happy.

There may be something in ESPN archives. I remember they had an article on it last year.

As I remember, the test is like an SAT for football players. Lots of random (i.e. math, english, history, etc.) questions aimed at testing your ability to understand concepts quickly. I think it's timed and very fast, i.e. you don't have a lot of time to answer think about the questions.

I could be wrong, but I think that's what the ESPN article said about it.
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That's just it! I'm worried that Sean Taylor may not be able to "read" the offense if he can't even read comic books without spelling out things phonetically...

OK, not really - but I think its funny that Taylor needs a calculator to count to five and thinks algebra is a fungus that grows on girls underwear....
Wait, are you implying that players from the University of Miami don't uphold the highest academic standards? I mean if he made it through 3 years of school, then he must be fairly bright, right?
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Anyone have a link that explains this test, ive never read much about it. Ive seen a lot of those players play and their on the field skills are more than impressive. Ive talked to Taylor a few times before class and he didnt seem like the dumbest guy, he seemed like a football player, but hey, thats what he is. If all he can do is read a playbook and a QBs eyes then im happy.

Found the article I was talking about and a practice test with 15 Wonderlic questions:

The Article:
http://espn.go.com/page2/s/closer/020228.html

The Test:
http://espn.go.com/page2/s/closer/020228test.html

I took the test and got 13 of 15 in the time allotted (Missed the math questions on number of pages and the return on investment).

A perfect score on the test is a 51, only one player ever got it. Also, according to the article, Taylor's score of ten makes him "literate". With apologies to Skins&Canes, it's good to know Taylor got some quality education down there at Miami ("You must be able to read AND write your own name to enter this school"). Figure if Taylor got a ten, that's like getting 3 questions right on the practice test (getting 20% of the answers correct). Anyone here want to admit to scoring less than a 5?

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Two words...

DEXTER MANLEY.... anyone doubt he got a -7 on his test? But damn he could rush a QB....
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