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Old 10-03-2005, 09:51 PM   #1
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I have a question that I was curious about for any rules buffs out there. The Redskins kicked their game winning field goal on 2nd down. Although Novak hit made the kick, I was wondering, if he had missed the field goal on 2nd down would he have had another shot at it on 3rd and 4th down???? I thought he would have another chance but I was told numerous times that he only gets one shot at the field goal no matter what down it is??? If anyone knows the answer I'd appreciate it..

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Old 10-03-2005, 09:57 PM   #2
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yeah i think we only get one shot, we just didn't want to risk anything so we kicked a 39??

WOW, gibbs put some trust into Nick the Kick Automatic Novak
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Old 10-03-2005, 09:59 PM   #3
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I believe that so long as he doesn't actually kick the ball then yeah they have another shot. Like if it's a bad snap or hold and they just fall on the ball, then they'd get another kick
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Old 10-03-2005, 10:06 PM   #4
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yeah that is what it is, some coaches do it so that if there is a bad snap they get another shot but that is a lot of faith to let nick kick a 39 field goal
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Old 10-03-2005, 11:32 PM   #5
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it is actually genius to kick on 2nd down in that case. if there is a bad snap it stands to reason you'll end up with ball on like the 40 or 45 making it a real long field goal. if you have tried it on 2nd rather than third (like many coaches for the reason TAFKAS pointed out) then you still have 3rd to make some yards back and make it a reasonable kick. in fact when they got the delay i wondered for a second if they would run a play to move the ball up maybe.
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Old 10-04-2005, 01:34 AM   #6
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I would have ran one more play up the middle to make up the 5-yard penalty, then kick on 3rd down. It all worked out well for us, but Gibbs would have heard it if he missed.
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Old 10-04-2005, 10:20 AM   #7
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I would have ran one more play up the middle to make up the 5-yard penalty, then kick on 3rd down. It all worked out well for us, but Gibbs would have heard it if he missed.
I would think in the NFL if you do not have the confidence in your kicker to make a 39 yard field goal they should not be on the field. Allot of things can happen when you run another play and Gibbs liked his odds with going with the kick.
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Old 10-04-2005, 02:06 PM   #8
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The rule is that as soon as the ball is kicked it is a "change of posession situation". Same as for a punt on second or third down. You can take the snap in punt formation and run or pass or fumble and cover it up and you can snap it on the next down. But if you kick it ...
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I would have ran one more play up the middle to make up the 5-yard penalty, then kick on 3rd down. It all worked out well for us, but Gibbs would have heard it if he missed.

I agree, it was a chicken shit call to have brunell just fall in the middle on first down. Why wouldnt you alteast run with the hb on first down and tell him to run up the middle. Then, after getting a penalty and forcing a rookie to make a 39 yd field goal...It shouldnt have come to that, we should have run on first and second down, and have portis just run in the middle both times, then kick on 3rd, giving you a free down to have the snapper throw it away if its a bad snap to retry on 4th.

Had he missed that field goal, Gibbs would have been reemed out. As you can tell by my threads following the game, I am still very unhappy with Gibbs coaching, yes, we are 3-0, and that is awesome. But we arent a playoff team yet and we are doing stupid things. Gibbs is afraid to coach if we have a lead. He doesnt try to pad a lead and make sure we dotn have a chance to lose in the last second, like we always do. The bears could have kicked a field goal and one, just a field goal. And we were never even in teh cowboys game, and we should have lost to seattle, he should have made that kick.

Im glad luck is on our side, we have needed it. I hope it stays with us long enough for gibbs to learn how to coach again. Yell at me now if you must, but sometimes you have to be a fan, and be realistic...
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Old 10-04-2005, 02:48 PM   #10
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Re: Field Goal Rule???

One of the cool things that I thought about Nick's kick, after I stopped screaming that we WON!, was that Nick nailed the first attempt which did not count due to the Delay of Game, so he was able to kick it again with that same "feel" in him that he had just gotten from making it the first time. That was actually a good thing. Sort of like a mulligan in golf. So the distance did not really matter, he was kicking it through the middle and would have made it from 50 yards out.
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Old 10-04-2005, 02:55 PM   #11
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Here's a scenario I've often wondered about.....

You line up for a FG and there is a bad snap and for whatever reason you don't get the kick off, could the holder then stand up and 'punt' the ball through the uprights or indeed hand it to the kicker who does likewise?
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Here's a scenario I've often wondered about.....

You line up for a FG and there is a bad snap and for whatever reason you don't get the kick off, could the holder then stand up and 'punt' the ball through the uprights or indeed hand it to the kicker who does likewise?
Sure, but it would just be a touchback.
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Old 10-04-2005, 04:17 PM   #13
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Re: Field Goal Rule???

Look what I found....

Can a kicker drop kick a field goal or does he have to have someone hold it for him?
Yes, a field goal kicker can at anytime drop kick a ball through the uprights for 3 points.

Now I know.
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Look what I found....

Can a kicker drop kick a field goal or does he have to have someone hold it for him?
Yes, a field goal kicker can at anytime drop kick a ball through the uprights for 3 points.

Now I know.
I do not believe a drop kick is the same as a punt in terms of style of kick. I think a drop kick involves dropping a ball and having it hit the ground and bounce at which time a kicker kicks the ball. If it goes through the uprights it is a field otherwise it is a missed field goal with the other team getting the ball where the player had initially dropped it. Essentially a field goal is the same accept it involves having someone catch the snap, "drop" the ball (place it) and hold it in place for a kicker to kick. Same mechanics with different parts. Simply dropping the ball and kicking before it hits the ground constitutes "punting" meaning giving possession to the other team.

Here's a good explanation:
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If a punt goes through the uprights, it is a touchback, as was explained in the previous response. Here's why: in order for a field goal to count, the ball must touch the ground just before it is kicked. I wonder if your question comes after seeing some film from an old game. If so, you may be thinking of a drop kick, which looks similar to a punt. In the early days of the NFL (into the 40's & possibly the 50's) the place kick was not used. Instead of hiking the ball to the holder as it is today, the snapper would hike the ball directly to the kicker. The kicker then bounced the ball off the ground either by dropping it (or more purposely bouncing it) so that he could get his foot underneath it and kick the ball throught the uprights. This obviously had a lot of skill associated with it. As a result, the field goal was not as routine as what we see today.

The main reason the drop drop kick isn't used anymore is because the shape of the official football changed - it used to be more rounded than it is today. And the odds of making a place kick are much better than a drop kick.
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Old 10-04-2005, 04:27 PM   #15
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I do not believe a drop kick is the same as a punt in terms of style of kick. I think a drop kick involves dropping a ball and having it hit the ground and bounce at which time a kicker kicks the ball. If it goes through the uprights it is a field otherwise it is a missed field goal with the other team getting the ball where the player had initially dropped it. Essentially a field goal is the same accept it involves having someone catch the snap, "drop" the ball (place it) and hold it in place for a kicker to kick. Same mechanics with different parts. Simply dropping the ball and kicking before it hits the ground constitutes "punting" meaning giving possession to the other team.
NOW I know, thanks for clearing that up.
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