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Old 10-16-2005, 07:49 PM   #46
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Re: (MERGED THREADS) LaVar Arrington and Gregg Williams

Pure athleticism will get you by in college and most of the time in the pros. It's not enough to get by with Williams obviously.
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Old 10-16-2005, 08:03 PM   #47
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Lavar on the bench is really know surprise, he was the most overated player in football, except now everyone knows it.

Lavar doesn't know why he's not playing? Just like he doesn't know how to follow direction when he's on the field.

I find it laughable that everyone will follow Gibbs blindly regardless of how irrational some of his decisions may look, yet question over and over again why Lavar isn't on the field, he's an overhyped media darling who's football instinkts are horrible, he's not a LB who can overpower a TE or OL on a pass rush ala LT, so how much difference will he really make? The LB's we have now can get to the QB if their given a clean shot at the QB.

Bottom line take a look at the track record's of the people who all concur on Lavar, William's, Lewis, and Paterno, they all have said the same thing's about Lavar, and I am sure they were being kind in their assesments for public consumption.
I agree, until Lavar can show that he can shut his mouth and follow the instructions of the coaches, then he'll play again.
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Old 10-16-2005, 08:08 PM   #48
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So, are you objecting to the opinion I expressed or are you just "offended" by my use of "****"? BTW - what word did you think I was alluding to? If you assumed it was a word that rhymes with "luck" you assumed incorrectly.


But, that's not really the point. I'd welcome your thoughts on the opinions I actually expressed.
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Old 10-16-2005, 08:17 PM   #49
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And I'm tired of hearing the lame excuses that we get each week. Do they really think the fans are so ignorant as to believe the **** that they are feeding us as to why he isn't playing?

Well, if the stupid media would stop asking the same questions about Lavar week in and week out, you wouldn't have to hear the "excuses."
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I wasn't being sarcastic.
OK, truce.

I haven't read this thread all the way through so, what are your thoughts about keeping LA on the bench or letting him play?

If you had asked me a year ago if I thought we Skins fans would ever even be asking this question, I'd have said you were crazy.
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Old 10-16-2005, 08:21 PM   #51
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OK, truce.

I haven't read this thread all the way through so, what are your thoughts about keeping LA on the bench or letting him play?

If you had asked me a year ago if I thought we Skins fans would ever even be asking this question, I'd have said you were crazy.
Well, if anyone had said the Brunell would be our QB and put up numbers like he has been....we would've put that person in the nuthouse....
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Old 10-16-2005, 08:23 PM   #52
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Well, if the stupid media would stop asking the same questions about Lavar week in and week out, you wouldn't have to hear the "excuses."
Until they (and we) get an answer that makes sense or bears some resemblence to the truth, the questions will keep coming. It's not as if Lavar is some two-bit player or a throw-away from another team. He's one of the most physical players we have and that type of play is sorely needed right now on the Defense.
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Old 10-16-2005, 08:28 PM   #53
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I'm sorry, but Lavar isn't going to fix the problem with injuries in our secondary. I would like to see Lavar playing just to settle the argument, but before we go saying the coaches are lying to us, I suggest we get a pass to attend practices and team meetings, etc....
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Coaches know more than us....everyone wanted Gibbs head when he benched Ramsey. We don't know whats going on behind closed doors so we shouldn't be saying we know more than the coaches....we also shouldn't be saying that they don't know how to coach.
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I'm sorry, but Lavar isn't going to fix the problem with injuries in our secondary. I would like to see Lavar playing just to settle the argument, but before we go saying the coaches are lying to us, I suggest we get a pass to attend practices and team meetings, etc....
First, we were being told that he wasn't healed enough to play even though he said he was physically ready. Then, the story changed to how he would play when the right "packages" were called. Now, they've abandoned that sorry excuse too.

So, tell me, what are the fans supposed to believe except that they've come up with excuse after excuse, none of which made any sense.

Today's WP article said it all and there was blame to be laid on both sides. Even several currnet players (who for good reason asked to be anonymously quoted) said LA needs to be given the chance to play again.
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If this is not about the money, the front office is crazy. I'll comment more in a new post.
You hinted at something that I've wondered about too, much as I hate to think it. I do believe that LA hurt himself immensely with the contract dispute he started last year. I think the bad feelings have definitely carried over and may be influencing a bit of what is happening now, but I really don't know for sure. I was mad at LA last year too - felt he brought a frivolous grievance against the Skins for a mistake that he and his agent made when they signed the contract extension.

But, I don't believe that should play any part in whether or not the man gets to play and contribute to the team, especially with the "D" having problems in getting to the QB and in forcing turnovers.

Whatever the reason, I just can't believe that LA's abilities have so declined that he is legitimately the 5th or 6th string linebacker now. That is laughable.
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First, we were being told that he wasn't healed enough to play even though he said he was physically ready. Then, the story changed to how he would play when the right "packages" were called. Now, they've abandoned that sorry excuse too.

So, tell me, what are the fans supposed to believe except that they've come up with excuse after excuse, none of which made any sense.

Today's WP article said it all and there was blame to be laid on both sides. Even several currnet players (who for good reason asked to be anonymously quoted) said LA needs to be given the chance to play again.


If fans are supposed to believe what the media says, I feel sorry for those fans. For now, I'll be wiser to trust the coaches over what "he said she said." If Lavar plays, he plays, if he doesn't, exactly what do you expect to do about it?
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But, I don't believe that should play any part in whether or not the man gets to play and contribute to the team, especially with the "D" having problems in getting to the QB and in forcing turnovers.

Whatever the reason, I just can't believe that LA's abilities have so declined that he is legitimately the 5th or 6th string linebacker now. That is laughable.
That is my whole point about this arrington thing ..they act like he some scrub with no talent..he has more physical skills than anyone on that ..team and desire and fire.... he loves the game and loves winning... holding grudges is so petty and non professional... thats why i dislike williams and if u cant see this defense falling week by week you arent watching the same game...these linebackers are getting pushed around ..Lavar wont get pushed round...are we there to win or prove points??? AND HOW MANY REASONS HAVE WE HEARD I DONT BELEIVE ANY OF THEM
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Arrington might not get pushed around, he'll just over-persue and get caught out of position like he does from time to time. The biggest thing that people aren't seeing is the fact that Arrington isn't a victim - heck he's played the holding grudges card quite a bit everytime something didn't go his way.

The coaches are trying to get him to be more disciplined in his play. Are we willing to have Lavar be out of position 70 to 80% of the time to get one or two big plays? I would like to see Lavar being an overall well rounded player. I would like to see Lavar out there playing, to settle this foolish argument once and for all!
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If fans are supposed to believe what the media says, I feel sorry for those fans. For now, I'll be wiser to trust the coaches over what "he said she said." If Lavar plays, he plays, if he doesn't, exactly what do you expect to do about it?
What a silly comment. Of course, as a fan, there is absolutely nothing I can do about decisions the coaches are making. That doesn't mean I can't be damned frustrated at what is happening.

I would love GW to look every fan in the face and say with a straight face that Lavar can no longer contribute meaningfully to the team and that's why he isn't playing. Or else to look us in the face and say "I truly believe Lavar is the 5th or 6th best LB on the team and that's why he's not playing." But he can't and won't say either thing, because neither one is the truth.

I just want this team to win and I think Lavar can help them to do so. The "D" is struggling and his been for the past 2 weeks. With each game, they seem to struggle more and more. They need another physical player that can force things to happen - just like S. Taylor. And Lavar is the ONLY one on the "D", other than ST, who can do that. To keep him on the bench virtually the entire game, every game, is CRAZY.
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