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Old 10-16-2005, 09:25 PM   #61
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Re: (MERGED THREADS) LaVar Arrington and Gregg Williams

I have tried to reserve my feelings about the Arrington-Redskins situation, but two defeats in the same way has forced me to express my opinion. First of all, we need Lavar Arrington. 12 million dollars is to be paid next year. Who do the Redskins think will pick up that tab? The actions of the staff is similar to what use to happen to actors who pissed off higher authorities in the Hollywood. They called it "white listing" which basically means you don't work if they can help it. Unfortunately, we the devoted fans are caught up in this fiascal which will continue so long as our defense gives up big plays against mediocre teams. Some how we will see Lavar make a statement on the field. Hopefully soon.
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Old 10-16-2005, 09:37 PM   #62
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Ty for finally speaking out... Hold your horses people are going to be coming out of the woodwork now... its crazy beyond belief to see LaVar on the side lines while those people start ahead of him....
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Old 10-16-2005, 09:37 PM   #63
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What a silly comment. Of course, as a fan, there is absolutely nothing I can do about decisions the coaches are making. That doesn't mean I can't be damned frustrated at what is happening.
I personally think this whole discussion of Lavar Arrington is silly and a waste of time.

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I would love GW to look every fan in the face and say with a straight face that Lavar can no longer contribute meaningfully to the team and that's why he isn't playing. Or else to look us in the face and say "I truly believe Lavar is the 5th or 6th best LB on the team and that's why he's not playing." But he can't and won't say either thing, because neither one is the truth.
All I ask, is prove they're lying. I just believe it's quite silly to accuse the coaches of lying when they're around the team 100% of the time, we just see what we see on Sundays.

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I just want this team to win and I think Lavar can help them to do so. The "D" is struggling and his been for the past 2 weeks. With each game, they seem to struggle more and more. They need another physical player that can force things to happen - just like S. Taylor. And Lavar is the ONLY one on the "D", other than ST, who can do that. To keep him on the bench virtually the entire game, every game, is CRAZY.
My question is, where were you to complain when we were 3-0? Or even when we were 3-1? Will you be on here complaining if get on another 3 or 4 game winning streak, or if we finish the season at 10-6 and make the playoffs? What do you have to say about us being 3-2? Do you not believe that is an improvement over the 1-4 we were at last year? Do you not feel good knowing Mark Brunell is playing pretty well for us? Do you not believe our team is heading in a better direction than what it appeared like last year?
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Old 10-16-2005, 09:39 PM   #64
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It's a great time to be a conspiracy theorist.

Did LaVar really land on the moon?

Was LaVar really the lone gunmen?

Lordy!

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Old 10-16-2005, 09:50 PM   #65
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Re: (MERGED THREADS) LaVar Arrington and Gregg Williams

[QUOTE=skinsguy]I personally think this whole discussion of Lavar Arrington is silly and a waste of time.

Some on this board become almost hysterical anytime anyone dares to question what the coaches are doing. Why is it silly and a waste of time to suggest that LA could help this "D" play better? I would agree that this discussion would be a waste of time if the team were still winning, but they've lost 2 in a row and the "D" is struggling. The "O" is much improved over last year and it's actually a pleasure to watch them on the field. But, the "D" is not playing as well as before. Why? You could probably come up with a dozen reasons, but I believe two of them are - failure to get to the QB and failure to cause turnovers. These are two areas where LA could definitely be a positive influence.
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Re: (Merged Threads) LaVar Arrington and Gregg Williams

How can anyone criticize Greg Williams after the crappy defenses we have had to endure for the past 13 years? The skins finally have a playoff caliber defense thanks to Greg Williams and now he is going under the bus becasue he;s not playing Lavar...rediculous.
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Old 10-16-2005, 09:55 PM   #67
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Could LaVar help with turnovers and pressure?

Sure he could.

But, can you LaVar supporters also entertain the notion that he could also contribute to the 'D' giving up big plays? With his reluctance to play within the system, perhaps Williams thinks he's more of a liability to a 'D' that is already being stretched thin because of the injuries in the secondary.

I'm guessing Williams doesn't see LaVar as part of the solution right now and thinks of him as only being part of the problem.
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Could LaVar help with turnovers and pressure?

Sure he could.

But, can you LaVar supporters also entertain the notion that he could also contribute to the 'D' giving up big plays? With his reluctance to play within the system, perhaps Williams thinks he's more of a liability to a 'D' that is already being stretched thin because of the injuries in the secondary.

I'm guessing Williams doesn't see LaVar as part of the solution right now and thinks of him as only being part of the problem.
I think Matty hit the nail on the head....he's more of a liability than a solution.
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Old 10-16-2005, 10:08 PM   #69
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I personally think this whole discussion of Lavar Arrington is silly and a waste of time.

Some on this board become almost hysterical anytime anyone dares to question what the coaches are doing. Why is it silly and a waste of time to suggest that LA could help this "D" play better? I would agree that this discussion would be a waste of time if the team were still winning, but they've lost 2 in a row and the "D" is struggling. The "O" is much improved over last year and it's actually a pleasure to watch them on the field. But, the "D" is not playing as well as before. Why? You could probably come up with a dozen reasons, but I believe two of them are - failure to get to the QB and failure to cause turnovers. These are two areas where LA could definitely be a positive influence.
Questioning the coaching staff is one thing. We all do that from time to time. Calling them liars, as you have done so, it something completely different. That calls for hardcore evidence to prove such an accusation.

I'm just curious why I haven't seen you take part in any discussion when we're winning?
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It's a great time to be a conspiracy theorist.

Did LaVar really land on the moon?

Was LaVar really the lone gunmen?

Lordy!

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omg too funny...
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I personally think this whole discussion of Lavar Arrington is silly and a waste of time.

Some on this board become almost hysterical anytime anyone dares to question what the coaches are doing. Why is it silly and a waste of time to suggest that LA could help this "D" play better? I would agree that this discussion would be a waste of time if the team were still winning, but they've lost 2 in a row and the "D" is struggling. The "O" is much improved over last year and it's actually a pleasure to watch them on the field. But, the "D" is not playing as well as before. Why? You could probably come up with a dozen reasons, but I believe two of them are - failure to get to the QB and failure to cause turnovers. These are two areas where LA could definitely be a positive influence.
excellent point if we question god himself ...coach gibbs or jesus mr williams we arent fans... i love the skins but wrong is wrong
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Old 10-16-2005, 10:53 PM   #72
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I'm guessing Williams doesn't see LaVar as part of the solution right now and thinks of him as only being part of the problem.
Part of the problem???? he hasnt even played......
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Part of the problem???? he hasnt even played......
The fact that he doesn't even have to for Williams to know this is telling.
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Old 10-16-2005, 11:01 PM   #74
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Re: (Merged Threads) LaVar Arrington and Gregg Williams

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Could LaVar help with turnovers and pressure?

Sure he could.

But, can you LaVar supporters also entertain the notion that he could also contribute to the 'D' giving up big plays? With his reluctance to play within the system, perhaps Williams thinks he's more of a liability to a 'D' that is already being stretched thin because of the injuries in the secondary.

I'm guessing Williams doesn't see LaVar as part of the solution right now and thinks of him as only being part of the problem.

You hear alot about overpersuit, but Sean Taylor is playing and I've seen him cost us 14 points this year overpersuing and getting duped out of position.

That shit happens to everyone, its not like we only sucked before williams and gibbs because Lavar gave up big plays.

I watched NFL replay of our game against the Seahawks a couple of years ago, and all Hasslebeck could talk about to his line was to "keep Lavar Arrington away from me." We won that game. The freaking QB was scared, and he's a good QB. If you can break someone's confidence behind center, you break the offense (except in the bronco's case).

Lavar overruns sometimes, but not anymore than anyone else, and his instincts are usually correct. I can understand if WILLIAMS gave him a shot and he lost a game for us, but that shit hasnt happened yet.
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I think Ray Rhodes, Kurt Schottenheimer, and Marvin Lewis all had the Skins D in the top 5 or 10 when they were here. And they all were able to use LaVar effectively. Part of what makes a great coach is the ability to harness the talented players while getting the most out of those less talented. I think Williams has clearly demonstrated only the latter thus far...
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