My 1st anti-coaching thread

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I think it all starts with both lines. Thomas, Rabach, and Dockery are not dominant interior players. Samuels struggles against top notch defenders, and is otherwise just good enough, but he's no Jim Lachey. Jansen is solid, and he is simply the best player lined up with players who are not as good.

The defensive line is terrible, and will be that way as long as this team continues to neglect it.

The world is coming to an end, I actually agree with you, Beemnseven. Both lines are missing that extra ingredient for success - with the defensive line being further away from turning it around.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Do you think it was a mistake for him to come back in the first place? Just curious

If I could just jump in here, I think the critical mistake started when Snyder kicked out Schottenheimer. With just a few better offensive playmakers, that could have been a playoff year. He just may have had this team on the right track.

[Twilbert07]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Do you think it was a mistake for him to come back in the first place? Just curious

Unfortunately, yes, only because there's no real way to improve on what he did during his first tenure. I was excited as hell when it was announced Gibbs was coming back, but it obviously is very tough to come back and win Super Bowls. I hope he can turn it around, and I'll be cheering for the Skins every week regardless.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Twilbert07

Unfortunately, yes, only because there's no real way to improve on what he did during his first tenure. I was excited as hell when it was announced Gibbs was coming back, but it obviously is very tough to come back and win Super Bowls. I hope he can turn it around, and I'll be cheering for the Skins every week regardless.

We are not a terrible team. We are an average team that played against a great team and got beaten. I'm going to give Gibbs et al more time than Snyder gives most of his coaches.

I too will be cheering for the Skins every week, regardless of their record.

[Bushead]

It does start at the Lines. If you have dominant lines, you can do anything you want. Just looking at the Offensive line though, what could be the problem? I think pass protection has been wonderful, but of course Gibbs has extra blockers everywhere making it hard to judge.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

If I could just jump in here, I think the critical mistake started when Snyder kicked out Schottenheimer. With just a few better offensive playmakers, that could have been a playoff year. He just may have had this team on the right track.

I love Schott, my favorite coach ever (not named Gibbs) and I think he had things going in the right direction. But I don't think Snyder ever wanted him here. It's almost like he brought him here just to prove that he could.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

The world is coming to an end, I actually agree with you, Beemnseven. Both lines are missing that extra ingredient for success - with the defensive line being further away from turning it around.

I thought this was the year for the offensive line to finally come together. Chris Samuels, an up-and-coming Derrick Dockery, a solid right guard in Randy Thomas alongside Jon Jansen, with the best available center in the free agent market in Casey Rabach -- all blocking for Clinton Portis? I was practically drooling after hearing that lineup.

But it just hasn't happened. Rabach was supposed to be the final piece of the puzzle. Portis was supposed to be making plays like L.T. is making. Gibbs and Bugel were supposed to resurrect the Hogs and call the plays that pound opponents into submission. Nope. It just ain't happenin'.

The D-line on the other hand, well ... let's just say I saw this coming.

[Bushead]

snyder is an intersting fellow

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

If I could just jump in here, I think the critical mistake started when Snyder kicked out Schottenheimer. With just a few better offensive playmakers, that could have been a playoff year. He just may have had this team on the right track.

I do agree. That was a boneheaded move by Synder. However, it's would've, should've, could've. The present situation finds us with Joe Gibbs as our head coach and our team still not being where we would hope they would be at. However, I would worry more about this coaching staff if all of our loses have been by 10 points or more. The fact of the matter is, losing by 2 or 3 points in most of our losses really doesn't tell us much as to if we're closer to being that great team, or if we're just not there yet. Optimistically, I would like to think we're closer to being a good team, but close only counts in horse shoes.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I thought this was the year for the offensive line to finally come together. Chris Samuels, an up-and-coming Derrick Dockery, a solid right guard in Randy Thomas alongside Jon Jansen, with the best available center in the free agent market in Casey Rabach -- all blocking for Clinton Portis? I was practically drooling after hearing that lineup.

But it just hasn't happened. Rabach was supposed to be the final piece of the puzzle. Portis was supposed to be making plays like L.T. is making. Gibbs and Bugel were supposed to resurrect the Hogs and call the plays that pound opponents into submission. Nope. It just ain't happenin'.

The D-line on the other hand, well ... let's just say I saw this coming.

If we get another wideout, I think a lot of the questions about our offense will disappear.

[Bushead]

How would another Wideout help Run Blocking?

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I thought this was the year for the offensive line to finally come together. Chris Samuels, an up-and-coming Derrick Dockery, a solid right guard in Randy Thomas alongside Jon Jansen, with the best available center in the free agent market in Casey Rabach -- all blocking for Clinton Portis? I was practically drooling after hearing that lineup.

But it just hasn't happened. Rabach was supposed to be the final piece of the puzzle. Portis was supposed to be making plays like L.T. is making. Gibbs and Bugel were supposed to resurrect the Hogs and call the plays that pound opponents into submission. Nope. It just ain't happenin'.

The D-line on the other hand, well ... let's just say I saw this coming.

I do see more improvement with our offensive line as opposed to last year. I do believe Jansen being out last year really hurt us. However, our offensive line is definitely not the OL like the hogs were. That was a special group! Some games they're perfect, other games they're not. But most definitely, our defensive line needs improvement. The only guy I really like is Griffin.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

If I could just jump in here, I think the critical mistake started when Snyder kicked out Schottenheimer. With just a few better offensive playmakers, that could have been a playoff year. He just may have had this team on the right track.

As I said earlier, I fondly remember the 1st Gibbs era and supported him this term as well.. That being said, I agree that it was a critical mistake to fire Schott and then he compounded ot not by hiring Spurrier but by NOT hiring Marvin Lewis as HC. Can't do anything about that now, but looking back it hurt the franchise tremendously..

Originally Posted by Redskin

maybe its the coaching staff keeping us close and we dont have great talent you ever think of that paintrain?

I don't know that we have "great talent" but NFL observers always say that the Redskins are very talented on both sides of the ball. We have numerous players on both sides of the ball who have been pro-bowlers.. There are very few times that I think the Redskins step onto the field and they are out-manned from a talent perspective. But there have been at least 5 games where they were out-coached and out executed (Denver-execution, NYG-coaching & execution, Tampa-coaching, Oakland-coaching, SD-coaching & execution). That's inexcusable.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Bushead

How would another Wideout help Run Blocking?

Because our passing game would be better and defenses wouldn't be stacking the box (as the Chargers did today).

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I've been one that's preached 'trust the coaches' all season and that I trusted Gibbs judgment explicitly but today's loss and the last month in general I think it's time to really question some things..

Playcalling-Terrible decisions on offense with the plays.. Too many conservative playcalls. It seems like there are like 8 total plays in the playbook. When I can sit on my couch in Miami and call the plays before they happen an NFL coach can surely predict the same. Too conservative, playing not to lose=losing football. I'm convinced that this coaching staff is not the right group to get us back to the top. We have better offensive talent than teams scoring 24-31 pts a week but we are not getting it done. That's flat out coaching and execution but it all starts on the sidelines.

Defensive playcalling-Same thing, why did we stop blitzing? 3 & 4 man rushes against an offensive line that was allowing pressure all day when the blitz came? Other than Harris the DBs played exceptionally well for most of the game, why not let them give them a chance to make a play?

Roster decisions-Derrick Frost is awful, worst punter in the league.. Walt Harris has been terrible since October, why is he still playing?? WR depth was a problem coming out of training camp but how can we not have a WR on the practice squad instead of Jimmy Farris who was out of football last week and the #3 WR this week?

Very frustrated and with no #1 pick and up against the cap this offseason I can't say that I'm even looking forward to that anymore..

AMEN