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Old 12-01-2005, 09:09 AM   #31
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I tend to agree with NFLeurope, I don't see us dealing Patrick away unless it's a great offer.

Gibbs places great value on QB depth, always has and always will.

Gibbs knows that Ramsey did a solid job at the end of last year and based on that, he gave him the starting job. It wasn't Gibbs' fault that PR did nothing during the offseason and preseason to show that he had solidified himself as the unquestioned starter. Patrick left the door cracked open, and the injury against the Bears was the convenient excuse to make the switch.

Sure Patrick scoffed initially, but since then he's played the good soldier routine to a T. Deep down he has to know he wasn't ready to lead the offense the way Brunell has. Hopefully he's learned some valuable lessons this year and will be ready to step up his game when called upon again.

He still has a year left on his deal, I don't see us trading him for anything less than a 2nd rounder or a package deal for a top flight DE.
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Old 12-01-2005, 09:14 AM   #32
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im not sure how anyone can evaluate patrick ramsey on his time in washington so far.he should have at least been given 1 full season in coach gibbs system to see if he has what it takes to make it in this league.we do know that the kid is tough as nails from the spurrier experiment.coach gibbs seems like he waits for #11 to make a mistake just so he can yank him.dont try telling me he has been givin a fair tryout.least we forget,he is still young,was a first round pick,and if we do trade him,to get fair value for him,or at the very least ,then hold on to him.
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Old 12-01-2005, 09:26 AM   #33
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im not sure how anyone can evaluate patrick ramsey on his time in washington so far.he should have at least been given 1 full season in coach gibbs system to see if he has what it takes to make it in this league.we do know that the kid is tough as nails from the spurrier experiment.coach gibbs seems like he waits for #11 to make a mistake just so he can yank him.dont try telling me he has been givin a fair tryout.least we forget,he is still young,was a first round pick,and if we do trade him,to get fair value for him,or at the very least ,then hold on to him.
Problem is you're basing this on what you've seen and not what the coaches saw all during the offseason workouts, camps, closed practices, film, etc.

He was given a fair evaluation period, he had the entire offseason and preseason to show that he should be the unquestioned starter, and in the coaches eyes he simply did not do that.

If Ramsey had done an outstanding job during that time and left no doubt in the coaches mind that he was the man for the job, he wouldn't have received the quick hook.
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Old 12-01-2005, 10:02 AM   #34
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Regardless of how good or bad Patrick Ramsey may or may not be, he has to go. Can anyone imagine him playing with any confidence knowing that the coaching staff will be so critical of his every move? Can you imagine the look on Gibbs' face when Ramsey would throw his first interception? Brunell is one of the 5 best quarterbacks in the league, and for certain Campbell is ready, willing and able to step in and take over when called upon. Given Ramsey's performance thus far, he would have been "cut" had be been playing any other position. For certain, Ramsey should be cut or traded following this season. This team needs to get on with business and Ramsey is not part of the equation.
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If Ramsey was given the chance to play more games this year everyone would be pissed that Ramsey was still in and Campbell was not playing. Our record would be much worse and we would still be thinking Brunell was all washed up.
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i'll wait to see our final record to judge brunell. then we'll play the what-if game on ramsey and brunell for 5 mos or whatever.
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I tend to agree with NFLeurope, I don't see us dealing Patrick away unless it's a great offer.

Gibbs places great value on QB depth, always has and always will.

Gibbs knows that Ramsey did a solid job at the end of last year and based on that, he gave him the starting job. It wasn't Gibbs' fault that PR did nothing during the offseason and preseason to show that he had solidified himself as the unquestioned starter. Patrick left the door cracked open, and the injury against the Bears was the convenient excuse to make the switch.

Sure Patrick scoffed initially, but since then he's played the good soldier routine to a T. Deep down he has to know he wasn't ready to lead the offense the way Brunell has. Hopefully he's learned some valuable lessons this year and will be ready to step up his game when called upon again.

He still has a year left on his deal, I don't see us trading him for anything less than a 2nd rounder or a package deal for a top flight DE.
In absolutely no way are we keeping both of those guys. What a waste. Now if you are talking about letting Brunell go after this season, since he has not produced a winning season in two years, then that is a different story. But I think by Gibbs benching Ramsey only 1/2 a quarter into the first game, and using a #1 pick on a QB that Ramsey's time in Washington is numbered. If Gibbs had any confidence in him he would not have drafted Campbell. Draft picks are so precious now with there only being 7 rounds, that I dont think they would have wasted essentially 3 picks(trading a 1st and 4th to get a 1st last year) on a QB and have him competing with another #1 pick for a starting job.
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If Ramsey was given the chance to play more games this year everyone would be pissed that Ramsey was still in and Campbell was not playing. Our record would be much worse and we would still be thinking Brunell was all washed up.
i think he is washed up... he is scared to throw u guys act like he is the MVP he throws a good 10 yard pass yes but can he throw it up? well he hasnt in awhile.. and when i saw Ramsey in that 1st game he looked very good He threw deep and crisp... and we were more wide open.... so dont say what ramsey can't do..
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Regardless of how good or bad Patrick Ramsey may or may not be, he has to go. Can anyone imagine him playing with any confidence knowing that the coaching staff will be so critical of his every move? Can you imagine the look on Gibbs' face when Ramsey would throw his first interception? Brunell is one of the 5 best quarterbacks in the league, and for certain Campbell is ready, willing and able to step in and take over when called upon. Given Ramsey's performance thus far, he would have been "cut" had be been playing any other position. For certain, Ramsey should be cut or traded following this season. This team needs to get on with business and Ramsey is not part of the equation.
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i think he is washed up... he is scared to throw u guys act like he is the MVP he throws a good 10 yard pass yes but can he throw it up? well he hasnt in awhile.. and when i saw Ramsey in that 1st game he looked very good He threw deep and crisp... and we were more wide open.... so dont say what ramsey can't do..
Ramsey got pleanty of starts sense we had him and we have never been 5-6..
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Old 12-01-2005, 11:46 AM   #41
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i think he is washed up... he is scared to throw u guys act like he is the MVP he throws a good 10 yard pass yes but can he throw it up? well he hasnt in awhile.. and when i saw Ramsey in that 1st game he looked very good He threw deep and crisp... and we were more wide open.... so dont say what ramsey can't do..
The little things Brunell does is what Ramsey cannot do. For example brunell can scramble, and avoid the sack which has been key throughout the season. Also Brunell knows how to check down and find differet targets something Ramsey has always struggled with. Brunell is a veteran leader. Brunell can improvise on the run and turn a broken play into a first down, where Ramsey would have taken a sack or fired a bomb into the wind. These elements of Brunells game is something that you cannot teach and Ramsey will never be sucessful with out these tools. Take a look at Joey H. and David Carr. Im not saying Brunell is the MVP but hes the best we got right now. To continuely bash Brunell is getting a little old buddy. Your really showing you have no idea what your talking about.
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The Brunell bashing and blind Ramsey supporting really is getting old, especially since Brunell has played very well this year and has proved that last year was nothing but a fluke.
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Ramsey got pleanty of starts sense we had him and we have never been 5-6..
oh yeah what was his record after he took over under gibbs and that makes brunell worse he is a veteran as u said ...so is 5-6 good enough for u..he started good then his arm got tired ..hell i have seen him throw the ball awy on 3rd down in the 4th qtr...
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The Brunell bashing and blind Ramsey supporting really is getting old, especially since Brunell has played very well this year and has proved that last year was nothing but a fluke.
well bashing Ramsey saying what he cant do is getting old too and he hasnt played all that well the botton line is to win not look good...17 points isnt good enough to win
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oh yeah what was his record after he took over under gibbs and that makes brunell worse he is a veteran as u said ...so is 5-6 good enough for u..he started good then his arm got tired ..hell i have seen him throw the ball awy on 3rd down in the 4th qtr...
5-6 is not good but my point is Ramsey did worse than that.
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