Carlos Rogers

Paintrain · 12-05-2005, 12:02 AM

There was an 'overrated' thread a few weeks back, but he has made 3 great plays on some balls the past 2 weeks.. 2 picks and a near interception. He has also caused 3 fumbles this season in somewhat limited play. Looks like this kid may be the real deal.. I'd like to see him really step up in the next few weeks and make some impact plays.. Anyone else notice him?

skinsfanthru&thru · 12-05-2005, 12:14 AM

He plays the run pretty well and he has done well in making up ground on plays that get behind him but I still don't like how easily at times he gets turned around by wrs and how far off he plays from the line of scrimmage. He's already been flagged a couple times for contact after 5 yards because of this and has probably gotten away with it a few times as well and I don't know if I'm alone on this but I'd prefer Willaims using him to jam wrs at the line instead of letting them run their routes free of contact until they catch it. he's already on par with smoot in my eyes thus far and I only see him geting better.

mooby · 12-05-2005, 12:35 AM

i think it's hard to call a rookie overrated, simply because he hasn't been playing for years. Cut him some slack, you can't expect him to come in and be the savior. I think Rogers has been playing above and beyond expectations. Yeah, i've seen him get burned, but that should be expected by rookie corners. Yeah, he gets tricked a bit on some fakes by wide receivers, but he'll learn to stay with them. He just needs experience. I think at this point he is at the point Sean Taylor was at last year by this time, except S.T. got put in the starting lineup much earlier.

jamf · 12-05-2005, 01:00 AM

I will admit it, i was getting fustrated with his 20 yard cushion.
He has played well the last two games and he is good at run support.

Big C · 12-05-2005, 02:01 AM

the 20 yard cushion was gregg williams call, as marshall went to get the WR, springs was doing it as well. rogers looks to be a very good prospect, he is already more solid than walt harris

ST21 · 12-05-2005, 05:40 AM

MAYBE he will get a little love now........

Luxorreb · 12-05-2005, 05:44 AM

Rogers and the rest of the defense plays better with the presence of Sean Taylor!

dmek25 · 12-05-2005, 06:05 AM

i am very surprised at how well he is in run support,very solid.improving every week in pass defense.i also thought walt harris did a good job as the nickel back

12thMan · 12-05-2005, 08:30 AM

More than anything, Carlos apprears to be "around" the ball alot. He's making strides in that regard. I would like to see GW play him a little closer to the line, but I think he's wanting him to get more comfortable playing within the schemes, etc.

It's just a matter of time before we seeing him as man to man type corner.

FRPLG · 12-05-2005, 09:19 AM

CB is the hardest position to play on the field outside of QB. Besides a guy like Champ who simply had the immense talent to be successful straight form the word go most CBs take a little time to adjust to the pro game. I think we're seeing him advance a little faster than could be expected and that is very encouraging. Based on his level of advancement so far he could be playing at pro bowl type level come the end of next season. That is of course if he keeps imporving. I think he'll at least demonstrate that he a #1 type CB next season if not quite a pro-bowler.
Also, as has been mentioned he really seems to fit style-wise with this defense. Good pick for us.
I hope we can keep GW around a little longer because if we ever get a decent pass rusher it is going to be really fun to watch them play defense. They'll be scary.

FRPLG · 12-05-2005, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

More than anything, Carlos apprears to be "around" the ball alot. He's making strides in that regard. I would like to see GW play him a little closer to the line, but I think he's wanting him to get more comfortable playing within the schemes, etc.

It's just a matter of time before we seeing him as man to man type corner.

I think you'll notice that our CBs in general play a decent cushion (this year at least). Aganist the more talented WRs they have run a modified bracket coverage with the CB playing back as a quasi-safety for that one WR with a LB flashing out to take away the quick hitters. I guess our lack of top-flight speed at CB has pushed us to more coverages like this. Plus our need to blitz safties means we can't play up on WRS as one step means a big play TD with no safety back. Carlos will move closer as they trust him more.

Mattyk · 12-05-2005, 09:32 AM

Rogers is progressing well, he seems to be a playmaker who's always around the ball.

I'm definitely excited to see how he'll look next year with a year under his belt.

Mattyk · 12-05-2005, 10:13 AM

Do the "anti-Rogers" people realize he was injured earlier in the year and that played a factor in him developing slower than expected?

FRPLG · 12-05-2005, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Do the "anti-Rogers" people realize he was injured earlier in the year and that played a factor in him developing slower than expected?

Or that maybe there were unreal expectations for him. It is not reasonable to EXPECT a rookie CB to wrestle a starting role from a guy who knows the system and fits in pretty well. It's not like we had NO other CBs on the roster when they drafted him. He has progressed faster than SHOULD have been expected. What we DID expect doesn't matter in the whole scope. We were in the wrong to expect it. Us being wrong doesn't make him "dissappointing". Just makes us wrong. Seems silly to get be "dissappointed" that you didn't get a result you had no good reason to expect.

onlydarksets · 12-05-2005, 10:30 AM

Most of the cushions aren't his call - there are probably only a few CBs in the league who get to decide whether they are going to play on the line or 10 yards off at the snap. In a team system like GW's I would be surprised if anyone gets to make a call like that.

He's definitely looking better as the season progresses!

12-05-2005, 12:14 AM	#2
skinsfanthru&thru Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 32 Posts: 3,509	Re: Carlos Rogers He plays the run pretty well and he has done well in making up ground on plays that get behind him but I still don't like how easily at times he gets turned around by wrs and how far off he plays from the line of scrimmage. He's already been flagged a couple times for contact after 5 yards because of this and has probably gotten away with it a few times as well and I don't know if I'm alone on this but I'd prefer Willaims using him to jam wrs at the line instead of letting them run their routes free of contact until they catch it. he's already on par with smoot in my eyes thus far and I only see him geting better.

12-05-2005, 12:35 AM	#3
mooby MVP Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: NoVa Age: 24 Posts: 11,202	Re: Carlos Rogers i think it's hard to call a rookie overrated, simply because he hasn't been playing for years. Cut him some slack, you can't expect him to come in and be the savior. I think Rogers has been playing above and beyond expectations. Yeah, i've seen him get burned, but that should be expected by rookie corners. Yeah, he gets tricked a bit on some fakes by wide receivers, but he'll learn to stay with them. He just needs experience. I think at this point he is at the point Sean Taylor was at last year by this time, except S.T. got put in the starting lineup much earlier.

12-05-2005, 01:00 AM	#4
jamf The Starter Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: San Diego Ca Posts: 2,178	Re: Carlos Rogers I will admit it, i was getting fustrated with his 20 yard cushion. He has played well the last two games and he is good at run support.

12-05-2005, 02:01 AM	#5
Big C Mr. Brightside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Fairfax, Virginia Age: 27 Posts: 4,423	Re: Carlos Rogers the 20 yard cushion was gregg williams call, as marshall went to get the WR, springs was doing it as well. rogers looks to be a very good prospect, he is already more solid than walt harris __________________ "I don't care what nobody say I'm a be me, stay hood stay real, cause I'm out here grindin'" -Joe Gibbs

12-05-2005, 05:40 AM	#6
ST21 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 519	Re: Carlos Rogers MAYBE he will get a little love now........ __________________ SAY HELLO TO THE BAD GUY........

12-05-2005, 12:02 AM	#1
Paintrain Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Age: 42 Posts: 4,533	Carlos Rogers There was an 'overrated' thread a few weeks back, but he has made 3 great plays on some balls the past 2 weeks.. 2 picks and a near interception. He has also caused 3 fumbles this season in somewhat limited play. Looks like this kid may be the real deal.. I'd like to see him really step up in the next few weeks and make some impact plays.. Anyone else notice him? __________________ No Pressure-No Diamonds! Go Catch Your Dreams!

12-05-2005, 05:44 AM	#7
Luxorreb ^21^ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Richmond, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 1,601	Re: Carlos Rogers Rogers and the rest of the defense plays better with the presence of Sean Taylor! __________________ GO SKINS!!! ^21^

12-05-2005, 06:05 AM	#8
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 51 Posts: 10,448	Re: Carlos Rogers i am very surprised at how well he is in run support,very solid.improving every week in pass defense.i also thought walt harris did a good job as the nickel back

12-05-2005, 08:30 AM	#9
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,366	Re: Carlos Rogers More than anything, Carlos apprears to be "around" the ball alot. He's making strides in that regard. I would like to see GW play him a little closer to the line, but I think he's wanting him to get more comfortable playing within the schemes, etc. It's just a matter of time before we seeing him as man to man type corner.

12-05-2005, 09:19 AM	#10
FRPLG Franchise Player Join Date: May 2004 Age: 34 Posts: 9,290	Re: Carlos Rogers CB is the hardest position to play on the field outside of QB. Besides a guy like Champ who simply had the immense talent to be successful straight form the word go most CBs take a little time to adjust to the pro game. I think we're seeing him advance a little faster than could be expected and that is very encouraging. Based on his level of advancement so far he could be playing at pro bowl type level come the end of next season. That is of course if he keeps imporving. I think he'll at least demonstrate that he a #1 type CB next season if not quite a pro-bowler. Also, as has been mentioned he really seems to fit style-wise with this defense. Good pick for us. I hope we can keep GW around a little longer because if we ever get a decent pass rusher it is going to be really fun to watch them play defense. They'll be scary.

12-05-2005, 09:32 AM	#12
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 73,165	Re: Carlos Rogers Rogers is progressing well, he seems to be a playmaker who's always around the ball. I'm definitely excited to see how he'll look next year with a year under his belt.

12-05-2005, 10:13 AM	#13
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 73,165	Re: Carlos Rogers Do the "anti-Rogers" people realize he was injured earlier in the year and that played a factor in him developing slower than expected?

12-05-2005, 10:30 AM	#15
onlydarksets Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: all up in your business Posts: 2,693	Re: Carlos Rogers Most of the cushions aren't his call - there are probably only a few CBs in the league who get to decide whether they are going to play on the line or 10 yards off at the snap. In a team system like GW's I would be surprised if anyone gets to make a call like that. He's definitely looking better as the season progresses!

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