Coles vs. Moss update

onsidekick · 12-07-2005, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

I don't think everyone hates the moves or players we go after. They hate the hugh contracts that they give players and the picks we give up for a player. Like in the Portis/Bailey trade did we realy have to give up a 2nd round pick in the trade. I get the feeling like we let others dictate the terms of the trades or contracts and we just say OK that good for us. I have said in the past that maybe we need a tough negotiator to help with these deals. it takes a special tallent to be a good negotiator and its obvious we do not have anyone in our front office with these skills.

Good point about the contracts. Coles was a good signing at the time but does anyone remember the HUGE signing bonus we gave him. That money would come in handy right about now

Master4Caster · 12-07-2005, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

I think Coles abandoned ship one year too early. The irony of the whole thing is he was disgruntled with our passing game among other things, and since being in NY they've pretty much been unstable at the QB position which has affected his downfield play.

But who knew???

Right on the mark! The Moss v. Cole stats are interesting, but not really useful for comparing the two. The loss of Pennington meant Coles' numbers would be less no matter what. I suspect we have not heard the full story of why Coles wanted to leave. But I don't want anyone who didn't want to be here.

Mattyk · 12-07-2005, 11:45 AM

Coles just doesn't have the moves or quickness that Moss does in the open field, plus I've been impressed with the sharp routes Moss runs. He cuts on a dime and doesn't lose any speed, the guy has been a real find.

amorentz · 12-07-2005, 11:56 AM

I also have to admit I was pretty upset with the move, although I was definitely willing to give Santana a shot to be more of a threat than "Toe" Coles.

There has been one thing that has been VERY negative about the Moss-Coles trade in my opinion. My friend was so thrilled about the deal, talked up Moss so much, said we were all fools and had no idea what a steal we were getting, that Moss was exactly what we needed, etc...basically he was dead on while all of us were questioning the move. Now the problem is that I tailgate with him AND watch the away games with him and have to hear it ALL THE TIME how he was right!!!

Im kidding of course -- Id take any amount of "I-told-you-so" for an improved Skins team!

56FAN · 12-07-2005, 12:06 PM

Coles also just ran his route and if the qb was in trouble he just kept running it. moss breaks off his route to give his qb a option to throw to.we are better off without him.he had other issues as well,head issues kind of like t.o.

12thMan · 12-07-2005, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 56FAN

Coles also just ran his route and if the qb was in trouble he just kept running it. moss breaks off his route to give his qb a option to throw to.we are better off without him.he had other issues as well,head issues kind of like t.o.

Well, I wouldn't mention TO with anyone else....he's in a category of his own. But I get what you're saying. Thing with Coles is that he internalized much of his frustration for a while until it became visibly noticable. Then he had to go.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 12-07-2005, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog1

Good call stepping to the plate RF. Moss is EVERYTHING we wanted Coles to be. I don't know if Coles is that tough or not? I'm not close enough the situation. He did not produce-always the toe problem, which he refused to do anything about. Maybe Brunell could not get him the ball? Seems to me it is more Coles. having a lousy year in the NY-albeit lousy team. I do however know..............Moss is KICKIN" ASS!!!!!!!!!

I always step up and eat crow when my predictions/comments are wrong. I'd be an idiot if I didn't reevaluate my positions in the face of facts. I stepped up and said Brunell is far better than I thought after bashing him last year and early this season. In fact, I think I've become one of Brunell's stronger supporters on this site.

Thanks for noticing/appreciating that I am willing eat crow.

dmek25 · 12-07-2005, 02:40 PM

coles is one hell of a "possesion" receiver.nothing wrong with that but the skins envisioned him as a playmaker(see s moss)he also complained alot about the offense and not getting the ball enough.i read somewhere the other day,that last year coles was thrown to over 125 times,which was THIRD in the entire league.wether its his toe,or what ever it is,he lack explosiveness after he caught the ball.his toughness was never a question,coles is as tough as they come.this might have been a trade were we shouldve thrown in a second rounder.great trade for the skins

Hog1 · 12-07-2005, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

I always step up and eat crow when my predictions/comments are wrong. I'd be an idiot if I didn't reevaluate my positions in the face of facts. I stepped up and said Brunell is far better than I thought after bashing him last year and early this season. In fact, I think I've become one of Brunell's stronger supporters on this site.

Thanks for noticing/appreciating that I am willing eat crow.

It was a prop!

VTSkins897 · 12-07-2005, 04:38 PM

i even like santana's on-field demeanor. he's just quiet and professional the entire game. that's why when he got that penalty last week i figured it was somethin that really got to him bc you never see him "go off" like that.

i don't think he even went too wild after his game-winning TD in the dallas game... he's sort of like... "uhhh; what'd you expect"

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 12-07-2005, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog1

It was a prop!

I know, I wasn't being sarcastic. Thanks.

Longtimefan · 12-07-2005, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Unless you were there at the negotiations between Dan and the Broncos, who really knows what went down. There seems to be this assumption that we just threw in the 2nd rounder for good measure. Snyder seems like he probably knows a thing or two in how to negotiate. He didn't build an empire by being a pushover.

I agree, and I don't think that second rounder should be considered as a throw-in because we were going to loose Bailey anyway. The deal probaly could not have been consumated without the draft choice.

Longtimefan · 12-07-2005, 06:33 PM

I've witnessed many trades in the NFL and have always been of the opinion the only way you can truly guage the results is after the players involved complete their tenure with their respective teams. While we all love Santana and appreciate the numbers he's brought this year, where the trade is concerned, next year could be completely opposite. But for this year the trade looks great for us, though only time will ultimately tell who got the best end of the trade.

skinsguy · 12-07-2005, 07:59 PM

Heck - I don't care how old Gary Clark might be, let's get him back in a Redskins uniform next year and let him play opposite of Santana Moss! I'd love to see a Clark type of play combining with Moss. Our offense would be scary!

steveo395 · 12-08-2005, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Coles: 57 catches, 612 yards, 10.7 avg, 2 TD.

Moss: 66 catches, 1111 yards, 16.8 avg, 6 TD.

Remind me again who get the better end of this deal!!

i love how coles said his yards per catch last year (10.6) was way too low and he didn't like it. I guess all he wanted was .1 yards more per catch

12-07-2005, 11:45 AM	#18
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 72,652	Re: Coles vs. Moss update Coles just doesn't have the moves or quickness that Moss does in the open field, plus I've been impressed with the sharp routes Moss runs. He cuts on a dime and doesn't lose any speed, the guy has been a real find.

12-07-2005, 11:56 AM	#19
amorentz Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Washington, DC Age: 33 Posts: 368	Re: Coles vs. Moss update I also have to admit I was pretty upset with the move, although I was definitely willing to give Santana a shot to be more of a threat than "Toe" Coles. There has been one thing that has been VERY negative about the Moss-Coles trade in my opinion. My friend was so thrilled about the deal, talked up Moss so much, said we were all fools and had no idea what a steal we were getting, that Moss was exactly what we needed, etc...basically he was dead on while all of us were questioning the move. Now the problem is that I tailgate with him AND watch the away games with him and have to hear it ALL THE TIME how he was right!!! Im kidding of course -- Id take any amount of "I-told-you-so" for an improved Skins team!

12-07-2005, 12:06 PM	#20
56FAN Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: MANASSAS VA Age: 50 Posts: 323	Re: Coles vs. Moss update Coles also just ran his route and if the qb was in trouble he just kept running it. moss breaks off his route to give his qb a option to throw to.we are better off without him.he had other issues as well,head issues kind of like t.o.

12-07-2005, 02:40 PM	#23
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 51 Posts: 10,438	Re: Coles vs. Moss update coles is one hell of a "possesion" receiver.nothing wrong with that but the skins envisioned him as a playmaker(see s moss)he also complained alot about the offense and not getting the ball enough.i read somewhere the other day,that last year coles was thrown to over 125 times,which was THIRD in the entire league.wether its his toe,or what ever it is,he lack explosiveness after he caught the ball.his toughness was never a question,coles is as tough as they come.this might have been a trade were we shouldve thrown in a second rounder.great trade for the skins

12-07-2005, 04:38 PM	#25
VTSkins897 Impact Rookie Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 30 Posts: 890	Re: Coles vs. Moss update i even like santana's on-field demeanor. he's just quiet and professional the entire game. that's why when he got that penalty last week i figured it was somethin that really got to him bc you never see him "go off" like that. i don't think he even went too wild after his game-winning TD in the dallas game... he's sort of like... "uhhh; what'd you expect"

12-07-2005, 06:33 PM	#28
Longtimefan Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Germantown, Md. Posts: 4,832	Re: Coles vs. Moss update I've witnessed many trades in the NFL and have always been of the opinion the only way you can truly guage the results is after the players involved complete their tenure with their respective teams. While we all love Santana and appreciate the numbers he's brought this year, where the trade is concerned, next year could be completely opposite. But for this year the trade looks great for us, though only time will ultimately tell who got the best end of the trade.

12-07-2005, 07:59 PM	#29
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 5,998	Re: Coles vs. Moss update Heck - I don't care how old Gary Clark might be, let's get him back in a Redskins uniform next year and let him play opposite of Santana Moss! I'd love to see a Clark type of play combining with Moss. Our offense would be scary! __________________ Not the same Skinsguy that posts on ES.

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