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Old 12-10-2005, 12:01 PM   #16
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Re: Portis Overrated?

I still think Portis is a system back, however I also don't think thats a bad thing. Last week we ran OUTSIDE against the Rams a lot. If we keep that trend up, big things could happen for our running game.
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Old 12-10-2005, 01:07 PM   #17
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Re: Portis Overrated?

pretty much every bad outing that clinton portis has had over the last two seasons has been a direct result of bad offensive line play or bad play calling. clinton portis is easily one of the top five rbs in the nfl. i think the more that portis adapts to gibbs system and gibbs adapts to clintons running style the better he will be. there has already been improvement this year over last year.
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Old 12-10-2005, 01:34 PM   #18
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I figured that many would be offended, our running game seems to excel when we run outside. I am not questioning Clinton's ability because he is one of the better athletes in the league. Many of you said to look at his stats, but Portis is not satisfied with his stats himself. What will it take for Gibbs to realize that Portis is not Riggins.
"We could have kept Stephen Davis for that"

Each player is different and it's up to a coach to find a players stregnth and utilize it to the best of his advantage.
Don't forget "He's no Priest Holmes" Ray Lewis

"Being optimistic each year is what makes us one of the wealthiest franchises in sports, unfortunately it does'nt win games or get you into the playoffs", Over the past decade or so our win total is down there with teams like the Bengals and the Saints.
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Old 12-10-2005, 01:44 PM   #19
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I figured that many would be offended, our running game seems to excel when we run outside. I am not questioning Clinton's ability because he is one of the better athletes in the league. Many of you said to look at his stats, but Portis is not satisfied with his stats himself. What will it take for Gibbs to realize that Portis is not Riggins.
"We could have kept Stephen Davis for that"

Each player is different and it's up to a coach to find a players stregnth and utilize it to the best of his advantage.
Don't forget "He's no Priest Holmes" Ray Lewis

"Being optimistic each year is what makes us one of the wealthiest franchises in sports, unfortunately it does'nt win games or get you into the playoffs", Over the past decade or so our win total is down there with teams like the Bengals and the Saints.
you just said portis was overrated

and what does not winning in the last ten years have anything to do with portis

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Old 12-10-2005, 01:55 PM   #20
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Portis is a system back and that is why he is overrated, you must be able to adapt to different offenses.

I brought up the fact that we have been loosing for a while to show how being optimistic each year will not result in wins. It is about time to be critical, changes won't be made if we keep patting the team on their backs after every loosing season.

The NFL is a business and owners are only interested in pleasing the fans. We can not continue to let this franchise think that we are pleased if we plan on returning to the top.
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Old 12-10-2005, 02:01 PM   #21
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Portis is a system back and that is why he is overrated, you must be able to adapt to different offenses.

I brought up the fact that we have been loosing for a while to show how being optimistic each year will not result in wins. It is about time to be critical, changes won't be made if we keep patting the team on their backs after every loosing season.
the fans being optimistic doesn't change what the coaching staff is going to do in the offseason
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Portis is a system back and that is why he is overrated, you must be able to adapt to different offenses.
Is Gibbs a system coach? Shouldn't he be able to adapt to different offensive personel instead of running Portis into a pile 30 times a game? This can work both ways.
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Why do you quote yourself?
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Is Gibbs a system coach? Shouldn't he be able to adapt to different offensive personel instead of running Portis into a pile 30 times a game? This can work both ways.
Exactly, it's Joe Gibbs's job to adapt to Clinton Portis, not the other way around. Plenty of backs have left teams where they struggled and have had success. Do you question Priest Holmes? He only had one mediocre season in Baltimore, but he's been great in KC. That would tell me that that system fits him better. What about Michael Pittman? He was nothing as a Cardinal and then went to the Bucs and was a starting halfback on the team that won the Super Bowl. It works for tons of players in the NFL. This is a stupid arguement.
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Old 12-10-2005, 02:50 PM   #25
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The Redskins problem is bigger than Portis. I don't understand why so many think the world of him. He was a second round pick for a reason and a player by the name of Tatum Bell is doing the same things that he did to land him in Washington with that big contract. Denver refused to pay him, I think he would have been making less than 1 million if he would have stayed.

Do you think the Broncos would give us Champ Bailey and his career high 7 picks for a first round pick and Clinton Portis. No, they hustled us for champ and a draft pick.

Why is it that players leave D.C. (in any sport) and become winners.
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The Redskins problem is bigger than Portis. I don't understand why so many think the world of him. He was a second round pick for a reason and a player by the name of Tatum Bell is doing the same things that he did to land him in Washington with that big contract. Denver refused to pay him, I think he would have been making less than 1 million if he would have stayed.

Do you think the Broncos would give us Champ Bailey and his career high 7 picks for a first round pick and Clinton Portis. No, they hustled us for champ and a draft pick.

Why is it that players leave D.C. (in any sport) and become winners.
Hey, Eeyore.

Tatum Bell is doing about 2/3 of the things Portis did in Denver. Namely, he is carrying less of a load than Portis did. Clinton averages 270 carries in his Denver career - Bell is looking at about 160 carries this year. Portis knocked Mike Anderson - Denver's #1 RB - out of the lineup. Bell is putting up great numbers, he certainly killed us, but it's a lot easier to run for a great average if you aren't carrying the load.
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The Redskins problem is bigger than Portis. I don't understand why so many think the world of him. He was a second round pick for a reason and a player by the name of Tatum Bell is doing the same things that he did to land him in Washington with that big contract. Denver refused to pay him, I think he would have been making less than 1 million if he would have stayed.

Do you think the Broncos would give us Champ Bailey and his career high 7 picks for a first round pick and Clinton Portis. No, they hustled us for champ and a draft pick.

Why is it that players leave D.C. (in any sport) and become winners.
First of all, Tatum Bell can't even crack the starting lineup in Denver and using the fact that Portis was second round pick is flat out retarded.

Brett Favre was a second round pick, there's not many first rounders I would take over him. Tom Brady was a 6th round pick, do we need to get into that? Would you try to discredit Tom Brady because he was picked late? Do you think the Pats should give up on him now because he was picked so late? Give me a break.

As for your boy Tatum Bell, he's got all of 686 yards this season. Wow, that's huge. The worst season Clinton ever had in Denver was 1508 yards, that's not even in the same damn ballpark. I don't think Tatum should make reservatioins in Hawaii, just yet.

And, oh by the way, Champ Bailey didn't want to come back to the Redskins. He wasn't going to play another down for this team. He had decided that before we traded him. He didn't want to be here and he wasn't going to be here, so why does everyone make a big deal about the fact that we traded him and a second round pick for Portis? Who cares? We essentially traded a first round pick for Coles, I don't hear that getting rehashed every damn week.

Why does it matter what he would have been making in Denver? That's why he's not there any more. He decided he should be paid more and they decided that they wouldn't pay him. Kinda like what happened with Champ here.
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First of all, Tatum Bell can't even crack the starting lineup in Denver and using the fact that Portis was second round pick is flat out retarded.

Brett Favre was a second round pick, there's not many first rounders I would take over him. Tom Brady was a 6th round pick, do we need to get into that? Would you try to discredit Tom Brady because he was picked late? Do you think the Pats should give up on him now because he was picked so late? Give me a break.

As for your boy Tatum Bell, he's got all of 686 yards this season. Wow, that's huge. The worst season Clinton ever had in Denver was 1508 yards, that's not even in the same damn ballpark. I don't think Tatum should make reservatioins in Hawaii, just yet.

And, oh by the way, Champ Bailey didn't want to come back to the Redskins. He wasn't going to play another down for this team. He had decided that before we traded him. He didn't want to be here and he wasn't going to be here, so why does everyone make a big deal about the fact that we traded him and a second round pick for Portis? Who cares? We essentially traded a first round pick for Coles, I don't hear that getting rehashed every damn week.

Why does it matter what he would have been making in Denver? That's why he's not there any more. He decided he should be paid more and they decided that they wouldn't pay him. Kinda like what happened with Champ here.
What did Tatum Bell do against us? If he was given a whole season in Denver his numbers would more than double.
I'm guessing you thought the world of Trung Canidate too.

I wonder why Champ wanted out
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tatum bell was a second round pick too and he doesn't even compare to portis

not only is portis easily the better runner, he's a good receiver and one of the best blockers in the league
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What did Tatum Bell do against us? If he was given a whole season in Denver his numbers would more than double.
I'm guessing you thought the world of Trung Canidate too.

I wonder why Champ wanted out
That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Tatum Bell compares more to Trung Candidate than Clinton Portis does. I could care less what Tatum Bell did to us. That doesn't make him a good runner. That post doesn't even make sense.

Champ wanted out cause they lose all the damn time. I've gone to bat for Champ earlier on this site and you didn't even make your first post based on the trade. You're not even consistent in your arguement.
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