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Old 12-12-2005, 02:23 AM   #31
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Broke, he nearly single handly lost the game for the Redskins, I like Brunell as a person, but just look at the run vs. pass play selection in the second half, I don't think Brunell or Gibbs were comfortable with him throwing the ball. It was painful to watch the offense today because of his play, Clinton, Moss, O-line, special teams and Defense saved the game for us, a game that we should have won fairly handily. We certainly did not look like a playoff team today and most of that steams from the Quarterback play. In my opinion with a better QB we might be a strong contender for the ring. The position is so important to the success of the team and the success of the offense, that it is inexcusable for us to start a quarterback who is proforming as poor as he is lately. I love Gibbs, but I fault him for his decision in this regard and feel that he is somewhat of a hippocrite in his decision to start Brunell. I hope everything works out for the best regardless and that we make the playoffs. I hope that Brunell starts playing much better because that is the only way that we will have a prair in running the table. I have faith in the Redskins, but at best in my opinion Brunell does not seem to have enough gas to play for an entire season and I believe that he should be relagated to backup before our season ends prematurely. Furthermore, if he hand was hurting why hurt the team and return into the game, Why not give Ramsey a series or two while you recoup or what have you because in my opinion he certainly did not give us the best chance to win today.

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Old 12-12-2005, 04:43 AM   #32
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our QB IS broke, but i'm not sure we really have a means to fix it... he's stunk it up for weeks now. I don't really know if ramsey would be an improvement, and it'd send a bad message to the team this late in the year in the middle of a playoff race. So i think we're stuck (barring injury) and we just gotta hope he stops sucking.
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Gibbs made the same mistake this year as he did last year, he has fallen in love with brunell, we are just spinning our wheels with this guy, while Patrick rots on the bench.

As far as making a switch? It ain't happening, unless Brunells arm falls off gibbs isn't going to allow Ramsey to see that field, I don't believe at this point you make a switch at QB regardless of whether or not ramsey can move the ball better than Brunell, Brunell is responsible for this season let him finish it.

I think the most important change that needs to be done is a change in playcalling, defenses just sell out to stop our running game with no regard for play action passes to the vacated areas of the LB's and safties who are just teeing off, guy's talked about it last year, and it looks like we are back at it, the defenses look as if they know whats coming, our defense bailed us out again, how many 3 and outs did we have late in the game?

None of the above matters unless we get better at playcalling, and diguising what we are doing, yes we have won 2 in a row but both wins were not impressive to say the least, that type of play in the next 3 games will seal our fate as far as the playoffs are concerned.
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Broke, he nearly single handly lost the game for the Redskins, I like Brunell as a person, but just look at the run vs. pass play selection in the second half, I don't think Brunell or Gibbs were comfortable with him throwing the ball. It was painful to watch the offense today because of his play, Clinton, Moss, O-line, special teams and Defense saved the game for us, a game that we should have won fairly handily. We certainly did not look like a playoff team today and most of that steams from the Quarterback play. In my opinion with a better QB we might be a strong contender for the ring. The position is so important to the success of the team and the success of the offense, that it is inexcusable for us to start a quarterback who is proforming as poor as he is lately. I love Gibbs, but I fault him for his decision in this regard and feel that he is somewhat of a hippocrite in his decision to start Brunell. I hope everything works out for the best regardless and that we make the playoffs. I hope that Brunell starts playing much better because that is the only way that we will have a prair in running the table. I have faith in the Redskins, but at best in my opinion Brunell does not seem to have enough gas to play for an entire season and I believe that he should be relagated to backup before our season ends prematurely. Furthermore, if he hand was hurting why hurt the team and return into the game, Why not give Ramsey a series or two while you recoup or what have you because in my opinion he certainly did not give us the best chance to win today.

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Great question WHY?

Gibbs seems scared to death to allow Ramsey playing time, I know it's crazy but it has looked to me he was worried that Ramsey may succeed and he wouldn't be able to get Brunell back on the field, not that Gibbs want's to fail, but he want's to win with Brunell, and believes he can win with brunell, and maybe he can, but I believe he made a big mistake by not sticking with Ramsey from day 1.

It kinda looks as if Gibbs basically had to promise Brunell the starting job to get him to sign with us, and has been trying to honor that ever since.

I don't want to hear the same excuses next year that we heard this year, and that is that the reason we missed the playoffs is because Brunell was injured, if he really is injured he should no how, no way, be playing, we are not talking about Unitas here, it's Brunell.
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"We really shouldn't be in this scramble. But we know how we get there: turnovers and penalties. If we don't do those two things, teams can't play with us. Why let it come down to the wire?"
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I think this is the ultimate problem... we can complain about play and playcalling until we're blue in the face. If you win the turnover battle, you usually win the game.
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Old 12-12-2005, 07:42 AM   #36
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I will say that i am getting nervous about marks performance ,i don't now if it's an injury but he's played to sub par defenses and had very bad first halfs. in all honesty the whole team seemed almost disinterested yesterday.i am concerned for this team for the dallas game.
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Old 12-12-2005, 08:19 AM   #37
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I would to see Brown get a chance he has the speed the dbs have to show some respect to.Hopefully he can catch the ball better than he did in the preseason.We have got to spread the playing field and we must be able to put up more points than we have.
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Old 12-12-2005, 08:23 AM   #38
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Look at it this way. Does anyone think that Ramsey would have led us to a victory over Dallas in week 2?

I don't think so.

Brunell is our QB and he is a much better manager of the game. We have a much better chance at winning when he is running the offense. I don't care if he throws ten picks, he's that much better than Ramsey. I would call on Campbell before Ramsey.
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Old 12-12-2005, 08:29 AM   #39
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The fact that this is even being discussed is ridiculous to me.

You don't make a QB change after your starter has a bad half and the team is in the middle of a playoff chase.

Maybe you do this sort of thing if you're playing Madden, but in real life these things don't happen, and thank god for that.

What sort of message does that send to the team? You're basically saying the offensive problems are all on Brunell's shoulders. Granted he had a bad game, but his first pick was a on a tip that Cooley will usually catch 99.9% of the time, and there were a few drops that didn't help.

Just like last year, there are other factors that are playing in to the offensive problems, and they don't all fall on Brunell. Thinking that Brunell is the only thing wrong is a very myopic view to have and if you think Ramsey is the answer to all our problems you're really smoking something.

It's just silly to me to suggest making a QB change this late in the season when the team is trying to make a playoff push and your starter has had a solid season.

Hey, Eli Manning tossed 3 picks yesterday and almost cost them the game. I wonder if they should just give Tim Hasselbeck a shot. Why not right?
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Look at it this way. Does anyone think that Ramsey would have led us to a victory over Dallas in week 2?

I don't think so.
Fine - what about against Denver in week 5, KC in week 6, TB in week 10, Oakland in week 11, or SD in week 12? You can't cherry pick stats Chancey.
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I don't believe at this point you make a switch at QB regardless of whether or not ramsey can move the ball better than Brunell, Brunell is responsible for this season let him finish it.
Seems to me that this is the beginning and the end of the argument. Brunell is headed south, but I'm not confident in PR to step in and win out. Let MB finish the season, then there's no "well he only played half a season and he didn't really get a chance to shine" argument. Or, preferably, MB gets out of his funk and plays "first half of the season" football and we winout!
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I new someone would start this stupid thread today. How could you even ask the question? the guy has thrown for 2k+ yardage wise, and coming into the Cards game 16 tds and ONLY 5 picks. That was tops in the NFL. So he had a bad game, but you look back at the ints and look to see if they were all his fault. The first one Cooley should have caught, it went off his fingers. The second may have been a bad throw, however the third one I think Cooley was suppose to be under the safety, but went behind him for some reason. So of the 3 picks, maybe one was Brunells doing. Sometimes the receivers are the blame more than the QBs.
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I agree... I don't understand why everyone moistens their hanes-her-ways for Taylor Jacobs. I'd love it if Antonio Brown could step up and challenge for a recieving spot and actually catch balls thrown at him. Him and moss could be absolutely lethal.
At the very least a defense would have to respect his speed and ability to get downfield. Granted if he can't catch the ball the D won't respect him for long, but maybe it'll work for a game, and as cliche as it is, we gotta take it one game at a time.
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Only a desperate team changes QBs and the skins are not desperate. No way should the team change QBs until they lose to dallas and/or ny.
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I new someone would start this stupid thread today. How could you even ask the question? the guy has thrown for 2k+ yardage wise, and coming into the Cards game 16 tds and ONLY 5 picks. That was tops in the NFL. So he had a bad game, but you look back at the ints and look to see if they were all his fault. The first one Cooley should have caught, it went off his fingers. The second may have been a bad throw, however the third one I think Cooley was suppose to be under the safety, but went behind him for some reason. So of the 3 picks, maybe one was Brunells doing. Sometimes the receivers are the blame more than the QBs.

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