Should Brunell be replaced? (merged)

onlydarksets · 12-12-2005, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by illdefined

Thrash has been very clutch on 3rd downs the times he's played. he's the closest thing we have to a possession receiver who we can put at risk over the middle (i think Jacobs would just shatter). we definitely need him back for this last stretch.

LOL - I think you are right!

Riggo44 · 12-12-2005, 09:17 PM

Replace? Why would you do such a god awful thing? If it isn't really broke, don't "try" fix it!

la73hof · 12-12-2005, 09:19 PM

I think its a perfect time to give Jason Campbell his first start... :headbange

SUNRA · 12-12-2005, 09:52 PM

I've made no bones about my support of Brunell as a QB even before he was a Redskin. I can also admit that the overrall perfomance of defense and offense has increased and decreased week after week. One week it's 21, 17, or 35 and we still loss. Why? Because of 1# injuries. When David Patten went down is when the offense began to lapse. He was successful at drawing the defensive pass interference call and illegal contact because of his speed. Taylor Jacobs is not evern close to making an impact for this team. Where is his great route running now? Brunell has to have maximum protection and enough targets to throw to. What I love about him is his ability to throw the soft touch passes and in the flat. He seems to struggle when a defensive linemen is in his face.

I think we play Antionio Brown at 2# this week and send him on the same pattern that Moss ran in Dallas. I guarantee you we score. It's about Brunell having options.

dmek25 · 12-12-2005, 10:24 PM

i really dont care how many points we score or who plays as long as we win

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 12-12-2005, 11:16 PM

Brunell definately has played much better this season than I expected. For the first half of the season he looked like an All-Pro stud. All of our passing attack's recent woes cannot be placed all on Brunell's shoulders. As many others have pointed out, he doesn't have many options to throw to.

But, the bottom line is our passing attack has been anything by good lately. I don't know how much of the blame should be placed at Brunell's feet, but there is definately cause for concern.

#56fanatic · 12-13-2005, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by NFLeurope

My honest opinion...is that we have the offensive weapons we need at receiver. I really think that with Moss, Taylor Jacobs, patten, and Thrash...we really could have a pretty good receiving corps. And the only conclusion i can come to is that the biggest problem stems from the guy trying to get them the ball. I posted Brunells' stats from the second half of this season. I dont know where those stats fall compared to other starters in the league. But they cant be very high. Everyone can make all the excuses they want...but at the end of the day all teams have to deal with adversity...and many have had to deal with much more adveristy than the skins (See Green Bay). They still need to find a way to get it done on offense.

I am not refuting what people are saying about Brunell just doing what he is asked to do. But i also believe that what Brunell is asked to do by the coaches is a function of what he is capable of doing. I really do believe deep down that if Patrick Ramsey were the starting QB we would have a much more wide open passing attack. As soon as he came in in the new york game for example...you know the one we got blown out in...he was immediately able to find some receivers downfield...ie Taylor Jacobs...whom Brunell hadnt found all game.

This is not to say that the skins would have a better chance of winning with Ramsey at the helm. I dont know that to be true. Cause while i believe Ramsey would open the offense alot more...i also believe that Brunell at this point probably is better at managing a game. And in general at avoiding costly turnovers etc...

But going forward here...into next year...and especially into the playoffs (keeping my fingers crossed)...i think it is gonna be neccessary for our skins to ask more of the QB than simply not losing the game for us. Against the better teams we are gonna need our QB to make plays (as Brunell was doing in the beginning of the year) in order to have a chance to win the big games.

Heres hoping Brunell (or whoever our QB is) can get it done!

Dude, this is the answer to these crazy things you are saying. We have 3 games left, there is no coach in the galaxy that would replace a healthy QB, who is by the way on the verge of possible probowl numbers. This is the time of year where you CAN NOT beat yourself. Ramsey, while I like the kid and think he will be a good QB, is not ready to be put in that situation. He would force ball, and have turnovers. There is no doubt that he can put balls in places Brunell can't, however he WILL make bad throws that will cost us. Brunell does exactly what is in the game plan. His arm is stronger than it has been in the last couple of years, he is healthier than he has been in 5 years and it playing pretty damn good. We dont need to put up 45 points and throw the ball all over the place. If you can run the ball 30 to 35 times, gain around 200 yards on the ground that will 9 out of 10 times win the game. You dont get extra points or wins by throwing for 400 yards. A win is a win is a win! I dont care if we run the damn ball 50 times and throw once, as long as we win the game. I have been a redskin fan for 31 years and to be playing a meaningful game in December is something that I have been waiting for for almost 10 years. Relax, have a beer, and enjoy the game Saturday. Its going to be a knock down, drag out fight in the trenches. with a lot of running!!! and alot of Defense!

irish · 12-13-2005, 08:33 AM

What I find amazing about this discussion is that reskins fans have been screaming about the state of flux the team has been in for quite some time and now that the team is in playoff contention and fairly stable wants to create more flux and instability at the most critical point of the season.

When/if the redskins are completely out of the playoffs then change QBs and give the rookie a look, until then leave well enough alone.

Mattyk · 12-13-2005, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by irish

What I find amazing about this discussion is that reskins fans have been screaming about the state of flux the team has been in for quite some time and now that the team is in playoff contention and fairly stable wants to create more flux and instability at the most critical point of the season.

When/if the redskins are completely out of the playoffs then change QBs and give the rookie a look, until then leave well enough alone.

amen

I think our fan base is so shell shocked from the last 12 years they just can't stand the thought of some stability. What a novel concept.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 12-13-2005, 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irish

What I find amazing about this discussion is that reskins fans have been screaming about the state of flux the team has been in for quite some time and now that the team is in playoff contention and fairly stable wants to create more flux and instability at the most critical point of the season.

When/if the redskins are completely out of the playoffs then change QBs and give the rookie a look, until then leave well enough alone.

Good argument.

illdefined · 12-13-2005, 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irish

What I find amazing about this discussion is that reskins fans have been screaming about the state of flux the team has been in for quite some time and now that the team is in playoff contention and fairly stable wants to create more flux and instability at the most critical point of the season.

When/if the redskins are completely out of the playoffs then change QBs and give the rookie a look, until then leave well enough alone.

same applies to people bashing Portis, when's he's also gotten us here.

irish · 12-13-2005, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by illdefined

same applies to people bashing Portis, when's he's also gotten us here.

I know people have said CP is not the homerun hitter the skins thought they were getting (I am one of them) but I dont know that anyone has called for CP to be replaced or benched. That would be idiotic. This thread is not about bashing, its about benching.

Hog1 · 12-13-2005, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irish

What I find amazing about this discussion is that reskins fans have been screaming about the state of flux the team has been in for quite some time and now that the team is in playoff contention and fairly stable wants to create more flux and instability at the most critical point of the season.

When/if the redskins are completely out of the playoffs then change QBs and give the rookie a look, until then leave well enough alone.

It gets curiouser, and curiouser!!! Redskinville is indeed a cynical and curious machine! makes........you...........wonder...............?? ??????????

Hogster · 12-13-2005, 01:15 PM

I totally agree with you dude, i mean i love the redskins and J. Gibbs but i am pretty sure a guy off the street can do what Brunell did last weekend. To be honest we better play somebody who can throw the ball more than 30yds man! It is crazy that a professional quarterback cannot seem to throw the ball further than a high school kid. I support J. Gibss but to be honest it hurt me to see how great our defense played the other day and we still needed a damn kick off return to beat the cardinals. Now i am not jumping off the wagon but it may be time to get someone in who can throw the damn ball!

NFLeurope · 12-13-2005, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by #56fanatic

Relax, have a beer, and enjoy the game Saturday. Its going to be a knock down, drag out fight in the trenches. with a lot of running!!! and alot of Defense!

Is the game saturday or sunday? I thought it was on sunday?

12-12-2005, 09:17 PM	#62
Riggo44 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Clemente CA Age: 40 Posts: 2,384	Re: Qb Replace? Why would you do such a god awful thing? If it isn't really broke, don't "try" fix it! __________________ Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. Benjamin Franklin

12-12-2005, 09:19 PM	#63
la73hof Special Teams Join Date: May 2004 Location: Naples, Florida Age: 41 Posts: 420	Re: Should Brunell be replaced? I think its a perfect time to give Jason Campbell his first start... :headbange __________________ "I'll go on the record that i am a LA fan"--redsk1 Thanks!

12-12-2005, 09:52 PM	#64
SUNRA The Starter Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,680	Re: Should Brunell be replaced? I've made no bones about my support of Brunell as a QB even before he was a Redskin. I can also admit that the overrall perfomance of defense and offense has increased and decreased week after week. One week it's 21, 17, or 35 and we still loss. Why? Because of 1# injuries. When David Patten went down is when the offense began to lapse. He was successful at drawing the defensive pass interference call and illegal contact because of his speed. Taylor Jacobs is not evern close to making an impact for this team. Where is his great route running now? Brunell has to have maximum protection and enough targets to throw to. What I love about him is his ability to throw the soft touch passes and in the flat. He seems to struggle when a defensive linemen is in his face. I think we play Antionio Brown at 2# this week and send him on the same pattern that Moss ran in Dallas. I guarantee you we score. It's about Brunell having options. __________________ Redskins Member since 1970

12-12-2005, 10:24 PM	#65
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 52 Posts: 10,504	Re: Should Brunell be replaced? i really dont care how many points we score or who plays as long as we win

12-12-2005, 11:16 PM	#66
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 34 Posts: 8,317	Re: Should Brunell be replaced? Brunell definately has played much better this season than I expected. For the first half of the season he looked like an All-Pro stud. All of our passing attack's recent woes cannot be placed all on Brunell's shoulders. As many others have pointed out, he doesn't have many options to throw to. But, the bottom line is our passing attack has been anything by good lately. I don't know how much of the blame should be placed at Brunell's feet, but there is definately cause for concern.

12-13-2005, 08:33 AM	#68
irish Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,539	Re: Should Brunell be replaced? What I find amazing about this discussion is that reskins fans have been screaming about the state of flux the team has been in for quite some time and now that the team is in playoff contention and fairly stable wants to create more flux and instability at the most critical point of the season. When/if the redskins are completely out of the playoffs then change QBs and give the rookie a look, until then leave well enough alone.

12-13-2005, 01:15 PM	#74
Hogster Camp Scrub Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 11	Re: Should Brunell be replaced? I totally agree with you dude, i mean i love the redskins and J. Gibbs but i am pretty sure a guy off the street can do what Brunell did last weekend. To be honest we better play somebody who can throw the ball more than 30yds man! It is crazy that a professional quarterback cannot seem to throw the ball further than a high school kid. I support J. Gibss but to be honest it hurt me to see how great our defense played the other day and we still needed a damn kick off return to beat the cardinals. Now i am not jumping off the wagon but it may be time to get someone in who can throw the damn ball!

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