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Old 12-11-2005, 08:41 PM   #16
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Re: Our offense CANNOT score!!!

There have been some questionable play calling but I'd have to credit our lack of production to bad execution and turnovers.
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Old 12-11-2005, 08:44 PM   #17
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Re: Our offense CANNOT score!!!

After checking the stats, only one wide receiver other than Santana Moss caught the ball today:

Taylor Jacobs -- 1 catch for 7 yards.

That's pathetic, and Taylor Jacobs is officially not up to being a wide receiver in the NFL.

I mean really, is there anyone who will dispute this?
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Old 12-11-2005, 08:48 PM   #18
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After checking the stats, only one wide receiver other than Santana Moss caught the ball today:

Taylor Jacobs -- 1 catch for 7 yards.

That's pathetic, and Taylor Jacobs is officially not up to being a wide receiver in the NFL.

I mean really, is there anyone who will dispute this?
Maybe Patten wasent so bad, afterall....
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Old 12-11-2005, 08:58 PM   #19
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No one really respects our running game.
Opponents don't really have any reason to respect it. Even today, with Portis barely cracking the 100-yard mark against the 26th ranked run defense, and with him being responsible for the team's only offensive touchdown, the game was still way too close, and had it not been for that last 7-yard run on third and 6 to close out the game, it could have been a scenario very similar to the Tampa Bay game.
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Old 12-11-2005, 08:58 PM   #20
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Thrash has been much more clutch on 3rd downs than Patten has been. This concern for a secondary and third reciever threat goes all the way back to the old McCants/no Possesion Reciever debate at the beginning of the season. Thrash has been the closest to that role, and around the end zone even Sean Taylor was given a shot. next season we should definitely look into another type of reciever to supplement Moss.
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Old 12-11-2005, 09:01 PM   #21
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Maybe Patten wasent so bad, afterall....
I think Tony McGee hit the nail on the head awhile back when he said that even though Patten didn't have many catches, defenses still had to respect the threat he posed. Now, you can double Santana Moss, keep Cooley contained underneath, and that's all there is to the Washington Redskins passing attack.
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Old 12-12-2005, 08:18 AM   #22
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No one really respects our running game.
No offense but do you have any idea what you're talking about? The only two things teams DO RESPECT about the Skins' offense are a) Santana Moss and b) Our running game. That's why we consistently see 8 men up and Moss doubled downfield. The fact that Portis can get 100 yards on anybody stacking the line is something positive. It is our passing game that is killing us.
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Old 12-12-2005, 08:37 AM   #23
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I think Tony McGee hit the nail on the head awhile back when he said that even though Patten didn't have many catches, defenses still had to respect the threat he posed. Now, you can double Santana Moss, keep Cooley contained underneath, and that's all there is to the Washington Redskins passing attack.
I agree.

Patten was much more valuable than we thought.
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Old 12-12-2005, 12:20 PM   #24
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I agree.

Patten was much more valuable than we thought.
Yeah, I knew it was more Brunell than Patten, as the cause of his lack of production. And I'm not making a "Brunell sucks" comment. I'm just saying that it seems as though Brunell has developed the QB/WR trust relationship with Moss, that a quarterback should have with all his receivers, but never developed it with Patten. I didn't believe for a second that the veteran, Super Bowl winning wideout, all of the sudden sucked, when he never had any trouble getting open, and catching balls when he was in New England.

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Opponents don't really have any reason to respect it. Even today, with Portis barely cracking the 100-yard mark against the 26th ranked run defense, and with him being responsible for the team's only offensive touchdown, the game was still way too close, and had it not been for that last 7-yard run on third and 6 to close out the game, it could have been a scenario very similar to the Tampa Bay game.
No reason to respect the running game, huh? I always thought that putting eight in the box to stop the run on better than 50% of your defensive plays meant that you were worried about the run, and didn't fear the passing threat.

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Old 12-12-2005, 12:24 PM   #25
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Yeah I'd say if teams are stacking the box, they might be interested in stopping the run.

Skins are currently 5th in the NFL in rushing yards, and Portis is 7th overall. I'd say some respect might come along with those rankings.
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Old 12-12-2005, 12:32 PM   #26
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It's playcalling. The Redskins have the most predictable offense in the NFL. There are no audibles at the line of scrimmage, and teams will stack one side of the box and we'll run right into them. We also seem to be lacking three of the most crucial plays we could be running--quick slants, especially to Moss, screens to Portis, and a draw play every now and again in shotgun certainly wouldn't hurt. I mean, really, Coach Gibbs, I love you and will always be in your corner, but how do I, a 24 year old slacker who has never played organized football in his life, know these things that will help us and you fail to see it? Not to mention our jumbo sets on 1st down--no shit they are going to stack the box. And then we put 3 tight ends in and send one receiver down the field (Santana) who is obviously going to be triple covered, and say the defense had a great scheme. Give me a break, any other coach with that talent could have easily put up 30 points on the Cardinals.

Oh yeah, one more thing. Where the F was Rock Cartwright? Poor form, Coach. Poor form.
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Old 12-12-2005, 12:32 PM   #27
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No reason to respect the running game, huh? I always thought that putting eight in the box to stop the run on better than 50% of your defensive plays meant that you were were worried about the run, and didn't fear the passing threat.
we're 2 dimensional right now (one more big dimension than last year at least). 8 close up vs. the Portis and 2-3 up top vs. Moss.

the middle is vulnerable right now and that's why Cooley has been gobbling up yards, but he's big and slow, so you can keep linebackers in to cover him (and tackle him). that makes it harder for Portis.

what we need is a tougher, more physical no.2 WR that can dart into the middle and burn linebackers, but take the ensuing shots from the safeties. i think then we'd be in perfect shape offensively. until then, Thrash is the closest thing.
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Old 12-12-2005, 12:35 PM   #28
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PLaycalling.

I agree with Daseal here. Not so much that the playcalling sucks, but I wish we could be a little more creative.....especially in the 4th quarter. Maybe some more screens, playaction bootlegs......anything different. We can't be too predictable.
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Old 12-12-2005, 12:36 PM   #29
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I don't understand the hating on Jacobs, he played great last week, it's not like he's dropping balls or necessarily not getting open, but he's what, the 4th option in this offense? Moss, Cooley, Portis, then Jacobs? That makes it kinda tough to get a lot of balls thrown your way, week before he had a good game.

I think Jacobs could be a good receiver but lets give him a legitimate chance to get the ball in his hands and make plays. I didn't like the first week when we tried him on fly routes. When he came out of college his strength was the routes he ran. They were great and really made him a first round pick (till he had the flu at the combine and bombed.) I want to see him running some crisp routes and be the #1 option a few times. Especially since teams know we don't use him much he could punish some people along the stretch.

I will be the first to admit that playcalling is slowly getting better. We're seeing a lot more runs to the outside for big gains (imagine that), like a previous poster I'd like to see the skins try to get their hands on a fullback who could improve the running game a bit more. I like Sellers more as a pass catcher than a blocker, but he's okay for the time being.

I would like to see us go three wide more often, and I really think we need at least one big receiver (see Vincent Jackson in last year's draft) that you could get for leaping abilities. I'd like to see us go through the middle a bit more, and I'd like to see us try to finish teams off a bit earlier instead of just trying to kill clock. I'm not looking for a Spurrier-esque offense, but that playcall to Royal was great. I was expecting run up the middle and Royal really came through made a good run and catch which I think MIGHT have won the game for us in the grand scheme of things.

I'd like to see the Redskins improve in a few areas, namely establish another #2 receiver, be it someone on the team, via draft, or via free agency, but I really think we need to make teams double Moss but lay awake wondering what #2 will do 3 days before the game. I think that Royal is okay, and minus that one absolutely pathetic game has played pretty darn well this year, but a big name TE could really help us in a division that isn't known for safeties/linebackers able to cover great TEs, if we could use a TE to open up the middle a bit I think Portis would reap the benefits greatly.

I really like how the last two weeks we've been sending Portis outside a lot more. Still hate the 3 runs of the middle that we still do from time to time trying to kill clock. In order to win down the stretch, we're going to have to find enough offense to put the Giants and Cowboys into bad situations. Our defense isn't what it was last year, but it's more than respectable, if we can put opponents into bad situations, we really have a good chance to get more turnovers.

In other news, Carlos Rogers looking like an all-pro, I still think BMW was our guy, but Rogers is amazing in the run and seems to have a nose for the ball. We may want to spend a 3rd or 4th round pick on a project CB to take over for Harris at nickle in a couple years, but Im really liking Rogers taking Springs #1 spot in two or less years.

For those of you who don't want to read the above rants: playcalling isn't great but HAS been improving the last few weeks. Portis is earning his cash, Royal had one bad game but he's been solid enough, need to give Jacobs a legitimate shot at grabbing some balls, if he can't do it, we need to establish a #2 that defenses have to scheme around. I'd also like to see us put more formations and run more plays out of each formation, little more creativity in the routes our receivers run.
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Old 12-12-2005, 12:39 PM   #30
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Re: Our offense CANNOT score!!!

I can't fault playcalling against the Cardinals. Look at the statistics, why wouldn't you run against these guys?

We had 2 interceptions occur right at the goalline, both on really stupid throws by Brunell. You have to figure that if the ball weren't picked in those instances, that the Skins probably would have come away with 10 points between those 2 possessions. That would have swung the game to a 27 point performance.

Brunell forced those throws.

I do agree with everyone who says we're strategically limited because of our 2nd WR situation. But given those limitations, I think the playcalling is doing fine. Against the Cardinals, the main problem was Brunell's execution. His brain took a day off, apparently.
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