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Old 12-12-2005, 08:39 AM   #16
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Re: Question about Pass-Play Selection

Like previously stated, Moss is the #1 guy and is the downfield threat. He is the fly guy so to speak, but will occasionally run the post in the middle. The reason nothing goes to the middle is because that is generally your #2 or #3 guys in the slot or trying to get the safety to commit down the middle leaving moss open down the sideline. However, since our #2(Jacobs) and #3(whoever) suck, and cant get open if I covered them, Moss is double sometimes tripled teamed.
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Old 12-12-2005, 08:58 AM   #17
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Just curious T. Jacobs has not produced and from the way it sounds he is left in man coverage. The dude can fly, where is his weakness, route running, getting off the line with the DB. That short slant is hard as hell to cover for a DB, so why is he not getting the ball he is much faster than Cooley and surely can run a better route as a WR so how is Cooley getting open and Jacobs not. Most of the time when he gets it, also on the edge none across the middle. Is Brunell not looking their way and focused on Moss and Cooley. Are we saying they suck because of the stats, because even Patten stats sucked and if I recall alot of people were saying he sucked as a number two receiver, now we revert that he was the reason why Moss is blanketed now. From what I see we are not getting the ball to our # 2 and 3 receivers no matter who is in there. It is not Patten demanded more coverage than the other guys, Defenses just blanket moss and say beat us with your # 2 and #3 receivers. From the beginning of the year our 2nd and 3rd receivers have not even had many balls thrown to them. I can recall watching some of the games Patten running alone and never looked at by the QB. I think the only time Brunell hits a secondary receiver is if it is a dump down when he is being pressured.
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Just curious T. Jacobs has not produced and from the way it sounds he is left in man coverage. The dude can fly, where is his weakness, route running, getting off the line with the DB. That short slant is hard as hell to cover for a DB, so why is he not getting the ball he is much faster than Cooley and surely can run a better route as a WR so how is Cooley getting open and Jacobs not. Most of the time when he gets it, also on the edge none across the middle. Is Brunell not looking their way and focused on Moss and Cooley. Are we saying they suck because of the stats, because even Patten stats sucked and if I recall alot of people were saying he sucked as a number two receiver, now we revert that he was the reason why Moss is blanketed now. From what I see we are not getting the ball to our # 2 and 3 receivers no matter who is in there. It is not Patten demanded more coverage than the other guys, Defenses just blanket moss and say beat us with your # 2 and #3 receivers. From the beginning of the year our 2nd and 3rd receivers have not even had many balls thrown to them. I can recall watching some of the games Patten running alone and never looked at by the QB. I think the only time Brunell hits a secondary receiver is if it is a dump down when he is being pressured.
Jacobs does have good speed, but he does not run very good routes, as a #2 should. I get muscled at the line of scrimmage and get off the ball. Cooley is very good at finding the open spots on the field, which alot of teams have reported. Cooley just has that "knack" of finding space. Since Jacobs does not require to have a safety help, that leaves him one on one most of the time and Moss doubled or triple covered. This is why we run those screens to him because he is a playmaker and we have to find ways to get him the ball if we can't get him open down field. When patten played, his stats might not have been so good, but because of his reputation as a good route runner and a guy with good speed they could not just leave him one on one with alot of corners, which enabled moss to find open spots as well as being able to get behind corners and safeties. Until we can find someone that demands more attention with coverage out pass selections will be more geared to the shorter routes with moss and cooley. I did like seeing Portis in motion and catching more balls out of the backfield and 10 to 15 years down field. They may be mixing more of the plays in to try and help Moss get some breathing room down field. Cooley and Royal will be used more for the release plays and short crossing patters across the middle. Once we establish this as plays that need the attention of the defense, Moss will find open spaces across the middle and will open up the double moves for the posts and fly patterns.
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Old 12-12-2005, 09:17 AM   #19
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Jacobs does have good speed, but he does not run very good routes, as a #2 should. I get muscled at the line of scrimmage and get off the ball. Cooley is very good at finding the open spots on the field, which alot of teams have reported. Cooley just has that "knack" of finding space. Since Jacobs does not require to have a safety help, that leaves him one on one most of the time and Moss doubled or triple covered. This is why we run those screens to him because he is a playmaker and we have to find ways to get him the ball if we can't get him open down field. When patten played, his stats might not have been so good, but because of his reputation as a good route runner and a guy with good speed they could not just leave him one on one with alot of corners, which enabled moss to find open spots as well as being able to get behind corners and safeties. Until we can find someone that demands more attention with coverage out pass selections will be more geared to the shorter routes with moss and cooley. I did like seeing Portis in motion and catching more balls out of the backfield and 10 to 15 years down field. They may be mixing more of the plays in to try and help Moss get some breathing room down field. Cooley and Royal will be used more for the release plays and short crossing patters across the middle. Once we establish this as plays that need the attention of the defense, Moss will find open spaces across the middle and will open up the double moves for the posts and fly patterns.
Cooley definitely does have that knack of finding the spot and settling down or just running the route to the open spot. Frustrating with Jacobs not being more productive, but glad he is getting his chance so we won't hold him again next year for zero contribution 3 years now, this will eliminate the 4th year. Royal has rebounded well and a good outlet since that SD game, had to be a fluke, I never remember him dropping that many balls. Anyway you look at it we are doing alright with what we have and using the playmakers to get it done.
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Old 12-14-2005, 07:25 AM   #20
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We see it called quite often, but our ONE receiver can't get open when he's double and tripled teamed.
he might not be open, but i'd bet he could still come down with 50-60% of the balls if brunell would throw it somewhere near him... brunell is ultra conservative about throwing into coverage though, but when he's done it, it's worked.
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Did you catch the offensive formation on the second to last possession we had? On second down Gibbs had one receiver on the line and no FB as a blocker for Portis which resulted loss yardage. Why in the hell would Gibbs have one receiver on the line and no one in motion? Our playcalling was geared toward the run and it did not work. Rock Cartwright deserved to get some handoffs. Betts was not that productive to handle all the carries besides Portis.
I agree that that was a crazy formation, but in the Vikings game last year, with one receiver and no fullback, Ramsey went play action and threw a 40+ yard completion to Jacobs. All the plays are designed to get positive yardage, but sometimes I think the plays are set up to give the next team some game film so that we can trick a safety into biting on the run.
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