New Reason behind LaVar Arrington not playing early season!!

D'BOYZ · 12-14-2005, 06:18 PM

I have to agre with Offiss this ain't a conspiricity theory of no sort Williams plays the best players dispite his name or if his a first round pick ( Rogers ) all players have to prove they belong in his scheme and LaVar does a lot of free style for Williams liking he might make some great plays but also give away a lot of costly big one being the gates that everyone has called an example anyway his a diference maker and help pump up the defense the D changed 180 after he came back they played with more fierce .

Kevikazi · 12-14-2005, 06:22 PM

How does benching a key player satisfy Snyder? Even if Snyder wanted it, I don't think Gibbs and/or Williams would have agreed to it. They all want to win games (including Snyder), and having LaVar playing gives us a better chance. I believe LaVar didn't play because he wasn't 100% healthy from his surgery. Williams hinted few times, that he didn't practice full-speed. Later on, even LaVar admitted that when he watched some films on him, he wasn't running full-speed.

Also, Arrington failing to cover Gates.....not too many players can cover Gates on consistent basis. Besides, ability to drop back and cover was never Arrington's strong points.

GB1 · 12-14-2005, 06:47 PM

(lol, and eyes rolling)

This is another Wash DC conspiracy theory. The team and Arrington settled it, and for a lot less than the $8M. Part of the reason was Arrington was not in top shape from his injuries, hence didn't have a spectacular camp. Another is that the other LBs were doing quite good. Another was that he freelanced too much and apparently cost us big yards on occasion, which apparently PO'd the coaches.

Finally, the negativity he had with his contract and his blaming the francise for his injuries etc did not sit well with the coaching staff. 'Me first' attitudes and Joe Gibbs have never mixed, folks, and that's why we shouldn't see TO in a Skins uniform (!!!). I doubt he was in the right frame of mind to listen to his coaches back then.

Now and on to a 10-6 year!

giacomo2 · 12-14-2005, 07:03 PM

that was my reason all along for LA not playing.

SmootSmack · 12-14-2005, 08:48 PM

Well repent your sins, give up all your material possessions. The apocalypse is upon us, I agree with Offiss...to an extent.

I don't believe that LaVar "stinks" or is extremely overrated. Just that the coaches were trying to make him a better player. Arrington has needed something like this to reign him in. He's a great athlete but someone needed to tell him no basically and remind him that it's not all about being the best athlete out there.

I'm not saying Arrington is Michael Jordan, but they're sort of similar situations. Granted, he was never benched but MJ had to learn to play within the triangle and trust his teammates-Pippen, Kerr, Paxson-to take and make the big shots sometimes. He had to decide does he want to be remembered as a great player or as a champion.

So in summary. No conspiracy, Offiss is right, swarm of locusts, fire and brimstone.

wolfeskins · 12-14-2005, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by offiss

I don't beleive that that is what took place here, I just feel that the reality of Lavar and the fact that he stinks has finally come to roost.

Kind of like that pass to Gates in overtime which put the chargers in position to beat us, Gates releases over to Lavars side while Lavar stands there watching the QB like the dummy he is, rather than going after and covering Gates, considering he was the last line of defense on that side of the field on that play, it was pretty typical of the types of things Lavar does on an every game basis, that's why he waesn't on the field, those types of mistakes which he makes over, and over, and over again.

you know darn well that lavar is the best linebacker on the skins. he is not as fundamentaly sound as washington but overall, everything combined , lavar is the best, so if he stinks then the rest of the skins linebackers must be the worst in the league.

as for him not covering gates, have you ever considered the possibility that the skins were in a zone blitz or did you personally call that particular defensive play cuz you thought greg williams needed some of your undisputed wisdom?

Mattyk · 12-14-2005, 10:04 PM

Sorry, I don't buy that Snyder has any say in who this staff plays and who they don't.

LaVar wasn't 100% healthy early in the season despite what he thought, and he wasn't preparing himself or practicing as hard as he should have been, and he's since admited as much.

Mattyk · 12-14-2005, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by wolfeskins

you know darn well that lavar is the best linebacker on the skins. he is not as fundamentaly sound as washington but overall, everything combined , lavar is the best, so if he stinks then the rest of the skins linebackers must be the worst in the league.

as for him not covering gates, have you ever considered the possibility that the skins were in a zone blitz or did you personally call that particular defensive play cuz you thought greg williams needed some of your undisputed wisdom?

I'd say that right now Marcus Washington is our best and most complete LB.

However, LaVar is still a very talented and productive player and he certainly doesn't "stink". That's just ridiculous to say.

SUNRA · 12-14-2005, 10:21 PM

I think that source picked and matched stories about Coles and Sydner and Wizard of Oz and Pinnochio.

diehardskin2982 · 12-14-2005, 11:26 PM

I said this back when we were actually talking about it... If snyder can tell coles he'll make his ass sit and watch, what make you think he'll be any different with Arrington?

For all of those who say "Gibbs wouldn't play into this, bla, bla, bla" Snyder pays his check too! So what Joe gonna do say no to the guy thats paying him? I don't think so

SmootSmack · 12-15-2005, 02:24 AM

I'm happy to see both Clemons brothers getting playing time, I wish Nic would get more. But maybe it's just me but it seems like Chris Clemons is playing at Holdman's expense, and not so much LaVar's. WH has completely disappeared it seems

40Walton · 12-15-2005, 02:34 AM

I think the REAL reason Lavar wasn't playing earlier this year is because he's never done anything FOR Greg Williams. If you think about it, LA was only healthy for a few games the first year Greg Williams was his D coach. LA goes out, Gregg plugs in Lemar, Nic... The point is the guys who filled in for LA produced FOR Williams and Williams found a comfort level with them. Why do you think Prioleau is here? Why do you think Antonio Brown is here? Why do you think Bledsoe is in Dallas w/ the Tuna along w/ Richie Anderson, Terry Glenn and Ferguson ? They were there all year long when new facets of his defense were drawn up and applied, Lavar wasn't. I think it was a combination of Lavar's health, Lavar's lack of knowledge of the entire playbook~ including sets he's never played in before simply because he wasn't healthy enough to gain experience in playing in them.Most of all, I think It was a trust issue.
Let's say you take over a job as a supervisor. There is an employee that everyone assures you is "great" and is a "blue-chip". However until this employee produces for you and you foster your own personal trust in them, you will not be able to fully trust them. When Gregg Williams came here, Lavar was just a name sprinkled in w/ highlights. Gregg didn't trust him nor any other player on the roster. It just so happens that other players got the opportunity to prove themselves to him through circumstance. Lavar?~ Busted knee, no such luck.
It's neither Lavar's fault, or Gregg's, Gibbs, or Snyders as to why he was on the bench. It's noone's fault at all. It's human nature, and it's good coaching. Think of it, would you go into battle with someone you've been TOLD will watch your back? Or would you go into battle w/ someone that HAS?

ST21 · 12-15-2005, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by SkinsLove24/7

This was very interesting news that I thought should be shared with my fellow Skins fans. We all remember back in the early weeks of the season when LaVar Arrington was riding the bench and all the rumors of why he was not playing were flying around. Well I got some interesting news recently. I was attending my family reunion last weekend and talking Redskins with one of my distant realtives. He is employed by Washington based radio station WTOP. He was telling me that some of the sports guys around the station were talking about the real reason LaVar wasn't playing. If you think back to the offseason the was a big dispute between LaVar and Dan Snyder over like 8 million that LaVar was supposedly owed. This dispute went to arbritation and LaVar ended up being awarded the money. Well suppoedly Dan Snyder was not to pleased with this decision and told Joe Gibbs that he had to bench LaVar for a few weeks. This story seems to fit and would make sense if Snyder was really pissed about the decision. Also the source which this comes from is a reliable one in WTOP. This is one scenario that may never be proven since Snyder would do his best to cover this up. I think this is an interesting topic to discuss so.....Discuss.

Thats crazy.....why would risk us missing the playoff's over money that not his....

PhxRedSkin · 12-15-2005, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Skinsfanforlife

Like I said there is only one guy who made the call to not play L.A. and that is Gregg Williams........ right or wrong he is the reason......

Exactly, ever noticed which way Gibbs is facing when the D is on the field? He brought GW in and gave him full control on that side of the ball. No way Lavar was benched because of the arbitration, simply like the coaches said. They did not like what they saw of him in practice.

BigSKINBauer · 12-15-2005, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by PhxRedSkin

Exactly, ever noticed which way Gibbs is facing when the D is on the field? He brought GW in and gave him full control on that side of the ball. No way Lavar was benched because of the arbitration, simply like the coaches said. They did not like what they saw of him in practice.

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12-14-2005, 06:18 PM	#16
D'BOYZ The Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,345	Re: New Reason behind LaVar Arrington not playing early season!! I have to agre with Offiss this ain't a conspiricity theory of no sort Williams plays the best players dispite his name or if his a first round pick ( Rogers ) all players have to prove they belong in his scheme and LaVar does a lot of free style for Williams liking he might make some great plays but also give away a lot of costly big one being the gates that everyone has called an example anyway his a diference maker and help pump up the defense the D changed 180 after he came back they played with more fierce .

12-14-2005, 06:22 PM	#17
Kevikazi Special Teams Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Maryland Age: 43 Posts: 186	Re: New Reason behind LaVar Arrington not playing early season!! How does benching a key player satisfy Snyder? Even if Snyder wanted it, I don't think Gibbs and/or Williams would have agreed to it. They all want to win games (including Snyder), and having LaVar playing gives us a better chance. I believe LaVar didn't play because he wasn't 100% healthy from his surgery. Williams hinted few times, that he didn't practice full-speed. Later on, even LaVar admitted that when he watched some films on him, he wasn't running full-speed. Also, Arrington failing to cover Gates.....not too many players can cover Gates on consistent basis. Besides, ability to drop back and cover was never Arrington's strong points.

12-14-2005, 06:47 PM	#18
GB1 Camp Scrub Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Diego Posts: 17	Re: New Reason behind LaVar Arrington not playing early season!! (lol, and eyes rolling) This is another Wash DC conspiracy theory. The team and Arrington settled it, and for a lot less than the $8M. Part of the reason was Arrington was not in top shape from his injuries, hence didn't have a spectacular camp. Another is that the other LBs were doing quite good. Another was that he freelanced too much and apparently cost us big yards on occasion, which apparently PO'd the coaches. Finally, the negativity he had with his contract and his blaming the francise for his injuries etc did not sit well with the coaching staff. 'Me first' attitudes and Joe Gibbs have never mixed, folks, and that's why we shouldn't see TO in a Skins uniform (!!!). I doubt he was in the right frame of mind to listen to his coaches back then. Now and on to a 10-6 year!

12-14-2005, 07:03 PM	#19
giacomo2 Camp Scrub Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 61	Re: New Reason behind LaVar Arrington not playing early season!! that was my reason all along for LA not playing.

12-14-2005, 08:48 PM	#20
SmootSmack Mad Men Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 43,095	Re: New Reason behind LaVar Arrington not playing early season!! Well repent your sins, give up all your material possessions. The apocalypse is upon us, I agree with Offiss...to an extent. I don't believe that LaVar "stinks" or is extremely overrated. Just that the coaches were trying to make him a better player. Arrington has needed something like this to reign him in. He's a great athlete but someone needed to tell him no basically and remind him that it's not all about being the best athlete out there. I'm not saying Arrington is Michael Jordan, but they're sort of similar situations. Granted, he was never benched but MJ had to learn to play within the triangle and trust his teammates-Pippen, Kerr, Paxson-to take and make the big shots sometimes. He had to decide does he want to be remembered as a great player or as a champion. So in summary. No conspiracy, Offiss is right, swarm of locusts, fire and brimstone. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

12-14-2005, 10:04 PM	#22
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 72,652	Re: New Reason behind LaVar Arrington not playing early season!! Sorry, I don't buy that Snyder has any say in who this staff plays and who they don't. LaVar wasn't 100% healthy early in the season despite what he thought, and he wasn't preparing himself or practicing as hard as he should have been, and he's since admited as much.

12-14-2005, 10:21 PM	#24
SUNRA The Starter Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,680	Re: New Reason behind LaVar Arrington not playing early season!! I think that source picked and matched stories about Coles and Sydner and Wizard of Oz and Pinnochio. __________________ Redskins Member since 1970

12-14-2005, 11:26 PM	#25
diehardskin2982 What will Shanny do this offseason? Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 2,924	Re: New Reason behind LaVar Arrington not playing early season!! I said this back when we were actually talking about it... If snyder can tell coles he'll make his ass sit and watch, what make you think he'll be any different with Arrington? For all of those who say "Gibbs wouldn't play into this, bla, bla, bla" Snyder pays his check too! So what Joe gonna do say no to the guy thats paying him? I don't think so __________________ Let's win games now...PLEASE

12-15-2005, 02:24 AM	#26
SmootSmack Mad Men Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 43,095	Re: New Reason behind LaVar Arrington not playing early season!! I'm happy to see both Clemons brothers getting playing time, I wish Nic would get more. But maybe it's just me but it seems like Chris Clemons is playing at Holdman's expense, and not so much LaVar's. WH has completely disappeared it seems __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

12-15-2005, 02:34 AM	#27
40Walton Camp Scrub Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 1	Re: New Reason behind LaVar Arrington not playing early season!! I think the REAL reason Lavar wasn't playing earlier this year is because he's never done anything FOR Greg Williams. If you think about it, LA was only healthy for a few games the first year Greg Williams was his D coach. LA goes out, Gregg plugs in Lemar, Nic... The point is the guys who filled in for LA produced FOR Williams and Williams found a comfort level with them. Why do you think Prioleau is here? Why do you think Antonio Brown is here? Why do you think Bledsoe is in Dallas w/ the Tuna along w/ Richie Anderson, Terry Glenn and Ferguson ? They were there all year long when new facets of his defense were drawn up and applied, Lavar wasn't. I think it was a combination of Lavar's health, Lavar's lack of knowledge of the entire playbook~ including sets he's never played in before simply because he wasn't healthy enough to gain experience in playing in them.Most of all, I think It was a trust issue. Let's say you take over a job as a supervisor. There is an employee that everyone assures you is "great" and is a "blue-chip". However until this employee produces for you and you foster your own personal trust in them, you will not be able to fully trust them. When Gregg Williams came here, Lavar was just a name sprinkled in w/ highlights. Gregg didn't trust him nor any other player on the roster. It just so happens that other players got the opportunity to prove themselves to him through circumstance. Lavar?~ Busted knee, no such luck. It's neither Lavar's fault, or Gregg's, Gibbs, or Snyders as to why he was on the bench. It's noone's fault at all. It's human nature, and it's good coaching. Think of it, would you go into battle with someone you've been TOLD will watch your back? Or would you go into battle w/ someone that HAS?

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