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Old 12-15-2005, 08:39 AM   #31
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Re: New Reason behind LaVar Arrington not playing early season!!

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I said this back when we were actually talking about it... If snyder can tell coles he'll make his ass sit and watch, what make you think he'll be any different with Arrington?

For all of those who say "Gibbs wouldn't play into this, bla, bla, bla" Snyder pays his check too! So what Joe gonna do say no to the guy thats paying him? I don't think so
Sure Snyder talked a bunch of trash, but did it actually happen?

No, because he was just talking out of his ass.

Do you really think Gibbs would go for crap like that? An owner telling him who he can and can't play?

He wouldn't have come back to deal with an owner like that.
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Old 12-15-2005, 09:44 AM   #32
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Kind of funny that Lavar had been coming out on definate passing downs, it seems Clemons gets the call when we need a real pass rusher and he's been far better at it than Lavar.
Far better at it? I thought you were all about production. Clemons has two sack this year. If he can come out of this season with anywhere close to 10 sacks, I might buy that.
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No I don't know that, the fact is your not basing your conclusion on Lavar being the best LB on our team by production, it's being based on his name, your to caught up in the Lavar hype, and not the Lavar substance, Lavar is not a better LB than Washington, he may be a better athlete, but that's where it ends, and I would personally rather see Clemons in there more.
So if we're basing this on production, why do you insist Ramsey is better than Brunell? Where is the Ramsey substance we should be looking at over the hype?

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Old 12-15-2005, 11:33 AM   #34
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So if we're basing this on production, why do you insist Ramsey is better than Brunell? Where is the Ramsey substance we should be looking at over the hype?

Uh oh Matty. Pleasssse tell me this isn't going to turn into another Ramsey vs. Brunell thread. What have you done?!
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Old 12-15-2005, 03:27 PM   #35
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Re: New Reason behind LaVar Arrington not playing early season!!

You're right there is no comparing them.

LaVar has been to Pro Bowls and proven himself to be a playmaker in this league.

Ramsey hasn't proven anything, and that's my point. Yet you somehow think he's a better QB than Brunell based on what very little you've seen from him.

Your conclusion that Ramsey is a better QB is based on hypotheticals and what ifs. At least our opinions of LaVar are based on solid numbers, Pro Bowls, etc.

I'm officially done hijacking this thread, sorry guys.
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Old 12-15-2005, 04:37 PM   #36
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Re: New Reason behind LaVar Arrington not playing early season!!

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If you think back to the offseason the was a big dispute between LaVar and Dan Snyder over like 8 million that LaVar was supposedly owed. This dispute went to arbritation and LaVar ended up being awarded the money. .....Discuss.
Some Corrections are due:

1. The amount in dispute was $6million, not $8million. However, you did say "like $8m so let's skip past the measly $2m).

2. He didn't get the money awarded by arbitration or otherwise.


They settled this.

He has the chance to be a free agent earlier than originally called for in the original contract.

He has some incentives that are possible, a few years in the future.

They couldn't retroactively give him the $6m because of the salary cap limitations. So, since you are wrong about the two most important facts, I wouldn't put too much stock in your hearsay based conclusion.

Let's remember, this came up because LaVar's attorney forgot the basic rule of "Read The Contract".


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Old 12-15-2005, 04:39 PM   #37
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Re: New Reason behind LaVar Arrington not playing early season!!

[QUOTE=offiss]No I don't know that, the fact is your not basing your conclusion on Lavar being the best LB on our team by production, it's being based on his name, your to caught up in the Lavar hype, and not the Lavar substance, Lavar is not a better LB than Washington, he may be a better athlete, but that's where it ends, and I would personally rather see Clemons in there more.[QUOTE]



i am not basing my conclusion on lavars name, i'm basing it on his production. go ahead compare lavar's numbers to all the other current redskins lbs minus last year. when was lavar drafted, 2000 ? compare his stats from 2000,01,02,03 and 05 to the stats of any lb that has played for the skins during that time period. lets see who has been the skins most productive lb the last 5 years.
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Old 12-15-2005, 04:50 PM   #38
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That is absurd. 1st off Arrington dropped the arbitration so nobody won. 2nd he settled his dispute. 3rd, you have no reliable source because of the 1st 2 facts. If you are 24/7 then you would know this.

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Old 12-15-2005, 05:27 PM   #39
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I think the REAL reason Lavar wasn't playing earlier this year is because he's never done anything FOR Greg Williams. If you think about it, LA was only healthy for a few games the first year Greg Williams was his D coach. LA goes out, Gregg plugs in Lemar, Nic... The point is the guys who filled in for LA produced FOR Williams and Williams found a comfort level with them. Why do you think Prioleau is here? Why do you think Antonio Brown is here? Why do you think Bledsoe is in Dallas w/ the Tuna along w/ Richie Anderson, Terry Glenn and Ferguson ? They were there all year long when new facets of his defense were drawn up and applied, Lavar wasn't. I think it was a combination of Lavar's health, Lavar's lack of knowledge of the entire playbook~ including sets he's never played in before simply because he wasn't healthy enough to gain experience in playing in them.Most of all, I think It was a trust issue.
Let's say you take over a job as a supervisor. There is an employee that everyone assures you is "great" and is a "blue-chip". However until this employee produces for you and you foster your own personal trust in them, you will not be able to fully trust them. When Gregg Williams came here, Lavar was just a name sprinkled in w/ highlights. Gregg didn't trust him nor any other player on the roster. It just so happens that other players got the opportunity to prove themselves to him through circumstance. Lavar?~ Busted knee, no such luck.
It's neither Lavar's fault, or Gregg's, Gibbs, or Snyders as to why he was on the bench. It's noone's fault at all. It's human nature, and it's good coaching. Think of it, would you go into battle with someone you've been TOLD will watch your back? Or would you go into battle w/ someone that HAS?

Interesting observation 40Walton, and WELCOME!!!
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Old 12-15-2005, 07:55 PM   #40
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You can't really use those numbers because he had his best year for us as a defensive end, not a LB. And correct me if I am wrong but our defenses weren't that good over that time span.

Our defense was the best we had last season without Lavar, what kind of difference is the guy really making?[/QUOTE]


and how many players from last years defense were starters on the skins d the year before last ?

you say lavar is horrible "stinks", i say he's been the best on the skins defense since he was drafted. lbs line up at de and rush the qb all the time, lavar did do that alot when marvin lewis was here but that was just the way lewis used him, was lavar successfull at it ? lavar has been successfull at playing defense , regardless of how any particular coach decided to use him. comparing his stats over the last 5 years , minus last year of course, to any other lbs (played for or is currently playing for the skins) stats over that same time span you will see that lavar has been , easily , the best and most dominant lb.
don't get me wrong, i love marcus washington and i think he is a very good lb, he probably uderstands greg williams defense better than lavar and is a great fit for the skins but i just feel lavar is the better of the two. marcus washington is consistantly good, lavar is sometimes out of position but more often he is spectacular. this season, i'll admit, lavar is not as spectacular as he's been in the past but i've seen flashes of it and i believe he will return to dominance with the more playing time he gets in williams system.
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Re: New Reason behind LaVar Arrington not playing early season!!

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I think the REAL reason Lavar wasn't playing earlier this year is because he's never done anything FOR Greg Williams. If you think about it, LA was only healthy for a few games the first year Greg Williams was his D coach. LA goes out, Gregg plugs in Lemar, Nic... The point is the guys who filled in for LA produced FOR Williams and Williams found a comfort level with them. Why do you think Prioleau is here? Why do you think Antonio Brown is here? Why do you think Bledsoe is in Dallas w/ the Tuna along w/ Richie Anderson, Terry Glenn and Ferguson ? They were there all year long when new facets of his defense were drawn up and applied, Lavar wasn't. I think it was a combination of Lavar's health, Lavar's lack of knowledge of the entire playbook~ including sets he's never played in before simply because he wasn't healthy enough to gain experience in playing in them.Most of all, I think It was a trust issue.
Let's say you take over a job as a supervisor. There is an employee that everyone assures you is "great" and is a "blue-chip". However until this employee produces for you and you foster your own personal trust in them, you will not be able to fully trust them. When Gregg Williams came here, Lavar was just a name sprinkled in w/ highlights. Gregg didn't trust him nor any other player on the roster. It just so happens that other players got the opportunity to prove themselves to him through circumstance. Lavar?~ Busted knee, no such luck.
It's neither Lavar's fault, or Gregg's, Gibbs, or Snyders as to why he was on the bench. It's noone's fault at all. It's human nature, and it's good coaching. Think of it, would you go into battle with someone you've been TOLD will watch your back? Or would you go into battle w/ someone that HAS?
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BSB, you must be getting soft in your old age. You'd think you would add at LEAST a few more welcome smileys.
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Old 12-16-2005, 10:16 AM   #43
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BigSkinBauer and company who told me i was crazy before the Cardinals game about Lavar's injury? guess what, he didnt even practice on Thursday and had "no comment" about his status for Sunday.....
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Because of the weather quite a few guys who are nursing injuries didn't practice, and the theme of the injury situations around Redskins Park lately seems to be "no comment".
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Because of the weather quite a few guys who are nursing injuries didn't practice, and the theme of the injury situations around Redskins Park lately seems to be "no comment".
And to piggy-back on that point if I may, I'm pretty sure the "no comment" is due to a gag order issued by Gibbs regarding all injuries. I think every single player is going to play in this game, it's just Gibbs' way of keeping the Cowboys guessing. For whatever that's worth.
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