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Old 12-20-2005, 10:07 AM   #16
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Re: Roy Williams = dirty tackler

Maybe Sean Taylor can teach Roy Williams how to actually tackle someone in a non-bush league style. You see he likes to hit people at full speed not wait until they get by him so he can pull them down like a little girl. Its a punk-ass tackle technique and thats why the league banned it. Whether the play in question follows the strict interpretation or not it violated the spirit of the rule. I for one would rather see them them not ban certain types of tackles but rather let the players police it. As in Sean Taylor would have gone in on the next offensive play and ended Roy Williams game by knocking his bitch ass out.

That'll be the only venom I spew towards the Cowboys as I don't like trash talking too much. But I dislike Roy Williams and his overrated ass even more. Karma is a bitch.
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Old 12-20-2005, 10:10 AM   #17
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Exactly right,

as the rule is currently written, it was not a penalty. He didn't even bend him backwards, he bent him sideways.

Whatever, did you want to win by 42 points?
Roy Williams should try tackling the old fashioned way - by hitting and wrapping. Whether he actually grabbed the back of the shoulder pads is a moot point. The guy ALWAYS seems to be reaching for the back of the jersey collar, and had two such tackles against Tiki Barber last month at the Meadowlands. On the first, he pulled up a little, because he sensed a flag would have come had he dragged Tiki down immediately. It had always been within the rules to tackle that way, so I don't consider Williams a dirty player. That said, I see him as unsound fundamentally if he's constantly out of position to make a clean hit, and has to resort to grabbing the collar.
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I would have like to have seen Gibbs tell Sean Taylor to line up on offense and lay the smack-down on Williams.
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I expect a revised rule next year that states that grabbing any part of the jersey or inside the pads and yanking a player down will result in a penalty. As for the way the rule is written, it was the right call.
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Changing the subject a little bit, did Ladell Betts' hit on was is Newman? on that sweep where he ran over him get put on Jacked Up! That hit by Betts was awesome!! Forget the Horse Collar, Newman was Stampeeded!!!!
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Maybe Sean Taylor can teach Roy Williams how to actually tackle someone in a non-bush league style. You see he likes to hit people at full speed not wait until they get by him so he can pull them down like a little girl. Its a punk-ass tackle technique and thats why the league banned it. Whether the play in question follows the strict interpretation or not it violated the spirit of the rule. I for one would rather see them them not ban certain types of tackles but rather let the players police it. As in Sean Taylor would have gone in on the next offensive play and ended Roy Williams game by knocking his bitch ass out.

That'll be the only venom I spew towards the Cowboys as I don't like trash talking too much. But I dislike Roy Williams and his overrated ass even more. Karma is a bitch.
Your post is almost identical to mine, and I was thinking of Sean Taylor when I referred to tackling the old fashioned way. It will be a joke if Roy Williams makes the Pro Bowl over Taylor again this year. His piss poor coverage ability opened the door for Brunell to Moss to steal the first game in Dallas.
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Old 12-20-2005, 10:21 AM   #22
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It had always been within the rules to tackle that way, so I don't consider Williams a dirty player.
While the tackle has always been around and legal it hasn't been prevalent and that would lead me to believe that it was sorta of an unspoken rule that it wasn't kosher and one better not try it without conisdering the likelyhood of getting one's ass handed to them in short order. I am just guessing but there are a bunch of things like this and I think it needs to move back into the the player policed rules. I consider it dirty to tackle a guy in a way that you know is very likely to cause significant injury regardless of the tackled player's ability to withstand hits. Hitting a guy at full speed head on is part of the game. The player tackling and the player being tackled take on risk and there is a good chance that no one gets hurt or that the tackler gets hurt. When you are chop blocking or horse collaring you taking no risk as a tackler and putting the other player in a very dangerous position where they could be seriously injured. Thats dirty.
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Maybe we should give Roy a break. I mean, its hard having to always tackle from behind after getting burnt...
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Whether you drag a guy down right away or not shouldn't matter IMO. If you're grabbing a guy from behind by the collar and using your weight to pull him down in the opposite direction that he's going, it should be a penalty. There's an increased risk of injury being brought down like that.

Yes it's football and it's supposed to be a rough sport, but there's also limits. That's why head slaps were outlawed and that's why facemasks draw a penalty. It's because of the increased risk of injury associated with those types of things.
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The problem with this rule is that it depends on how the ref interpits the act. And as we all know by now the refs are never consistant in their play calling...
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While the tackle has always been around and legal it hasn't been prevalent and that would lead me to believe that it was sorta of an unspoken rule that it wasn't kosher and one better not try it without conisdering the likelyhood of getting one's ass handed to them in short order. I am just guessing but there are a bunch of things like this and I think it needs to move back into the the player policed rules. I consider it dirty to tackle a guy in a way that you know is very likely to cause significant injury regardless of the tackled player's ability to withstand hits. Hitting a guy at full speed head on is part of the game. The player tackling and the player being tackled take on risk and there is a good chance that no one gets hurt or that the tackler gets hurt. When you are chop blocking or horse collaring you taking no risk as a tackler and putting the other player in a very dangerous position where they could be seriously injured. Thats dirty.
I totally agree that it's a shady way to tackle - my point on Roy not being a dirty player was that it WAS within the rules in seasons PAST. He's obviously made a living at tackling like that since he still habitually collars somebody every game, and I believe he should be called on it now.

The tackle of Rock Cartwright after his 50+ yard run against the Rams was one of the most blatant horse collars I've seen - officials just aren't enforcing the rule with any common sense. The NFL should do the right thing and ban any grabbing of the shirt collar and using your weight to halt a player in his tracks. This fallback that the tackler has to be under the pads and pulling the runner backward is B.S., as if a ref can tell the difference between shirt collar and pads at game speed.
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Old 12-20-2005, 12:15 PM   #27
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I was livid when I saw Williams do that to Portis, as well as during the Rams game.

I can't believe that this isn't being enforced especially when there was so much hoopla over it during the offseason.

It's looking more and more like the Redskins are on the bad end of a lot of controversial calls and so called rule changes. I'm sick of it!!!

I swear I hope we make it to the playoffs and meet up with Tampa if we do!!
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Maybe we should give Roy a break. I mean, its hard having to always tackle from behind after getting burnt...

Great minds think alike!

Roy's nickname should be "Toast"

Newman's "Jelly" 'cause he got "rolled"!

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Old 12-20-2005, 12:49 PM   #29
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That's the only way Williams can tackle....cause I was watching the game again and the only tackles Williams can make are horse collar ones. And if Williams wouldn't have horse collared him.....would've been 6 pts for us.

I heard somewhere that they're gonna change the rule so that it's more strict.
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Changing the subject a little bit, did Ladell Betts' hit on was is Newman? on that sweep where he ran over him get put on Jacked Up! That hit by Betts was awesome!! Forget the Horse Collar, Newman was Stampeeded!!!!
Yes it was Newman. He was also the one that Cooley "rolled" over on his way to the endzone for his 3rd TD.
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