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Old 12-20-2005, 05:37 PM   #46
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I don't think you will find an NFL scout who will tell you that Roy doesn't know how to hit.

He didn't get drafted cause he is a cover 2 specialist.

He is a big time hitter at SS and you know what that does to the opposition cause you got one too.
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Old 12-20-2005, 05:44 PM   #47
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BSB,

I don't think you will find an NFL scout who will tell you that Roy doesn't know how to hit.

He didn't get drafted cause he is a cover 2 specialist.

He is a big time hitter at SS and you know what that does to the opposition cause you got one too.
If that is the only way he knows how to tackle from behind he doesn't know how to tackle. Yes he can lay some of the biggest hits when someone is comming down the middle and he hits the guy's front side but from behind you would think he wouldn't always have to pull a guy down like that if it is now a rule. It is now a rule, it is a dirty hit and he could have easily pushed portis out of bounds but he tried to hurt him(now i was at the game and it looked like he could push him out but i might be wrong). trying to hurt someone is dirty.
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Old 12-20-2005, 05:58 PM   #48
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BSB, Sandtrap,

I would hate to think that he tries to injure players.

BUt I have seen him make that type of tackle many times. He isn't the tallest guy, maybe he accelerates low and and has gotten used to reaching up cause you really can't grab jersey from behind, they are all so tight these days.

Why doesn't he try and go for the legs? Pro Football players at WR and RB get out of that type of tackle half of the time.

If you are reading numbers - behind the ball carrier - you need to be sure cause you only have one chance.
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BSB, Sandtrap,

I would hate to think that he tries to injure players.

BUt I have seen him make that type of tackle many times. He isn't the tallest guy, maybe he accelerates low and and has gotten used to reaching up cause you really can't grab jersey from behind, they are all so tight these days.

Why doesn't he try and go for the legs? Pro Football players at WR and RB get out of that type of tackle half of the time.

If you are reading numbers - behind the ball carrier - you need to be sure cause you only have one chance.
you might be right. You are a more reasonable man than i am. The thing is i think it is clear this is the way he knows how to tackle from behind, it is his style. I doubt he used to do it just to injure players but only to tackle them the best way he knows how. Now that it is a rule he might not be able to change up his style but the thing is i heard an interview with him and he said he didn't care about the rule and he would tackle basically whatever way he wants to. Maybe this is the best way he knows how to tackle and doesn't know anyother way, that is what i mean by just because he doesn't know how to tackle it doesn't give him the right to injure players-but i guess that is a prettier picture than him intentionally doing it-
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BSB, Sandtrap,

I would hate to think that he tries to injure players.

BUt I have seen him make that type of tackle many times. He isn't the tallest guy, maybe he accelerates low and and has gotten used to reaching up cause you really can't grab jersey from behind, they are all so tight these days.

Why doesn't he try and go for the legs? Pro Football players at WR and RB get out of that type of tackle half of the time.

If you are reading numbers - behind the ball carrier - you need to be sure cause you only have one chance.
5RINGS,

If you want to see a real hitter at safety, look no further than Sean Taylor. He put the sledgehammer on Crayton at the end of the first win at Dallas, and it was both vicious and clean (and the resulting incompletion should have been ruled a fumble BTW). To argue that Williams collaring a player is more sound tackling technique on WRs and RBs than hitting and wrapping is ridiculous.
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Yeah, but football players get hurt every game. You cannot create a rule every time a player gets hurt. Horse collar tackles have existed since day 1 of football. But a star WR gets hurt and suddenly it is not ok.
You want an easy way to reduce injuries, get rid of artificial turf. But that would cost money, so it will never happen.
The turf thing hasnt been proven yet, there have been stats that prove the argument both ways.
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Witten hadn't gone out of bounds and he was still trying to go forward....Washington made sure he wasn't gonna go foward. It was a bad call....
What you say may be true. But nothing takes away from the fact that Washington made that hit clearly AFTER the whistle had blown. That was what the penalty was for, not for a late hit out of bounds, but a hit AFTER the whistle had blown.

Does not matter if it the official had blown the whistle pre-maturely, once the whistle is blown the play is over. And Washington made the hit anyway. He didn't even try to pull up or slow down.

Funny how people call Roy Willams a "dirty tackler", when he has NEVER had a personal foul penalty called against him.
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Marcus Washington has a BLANTANT hit out-of-bounds on Witten after the whistle in the first quarter Witten was injured on that "dirty play", and you accuse Williams of being dirty?. Get real.
Bullsh!t. Witten had BOTH feet inbounds and was moving forward when Washington hit him. I TiVo'ed the game and have watched the replay several times - it isn't hard to see. Aikman (remember, he played for the Cowboys?) and Buck both called it a lousy penalty.
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If you want to see a real hitter at safety, look no further than Sean Taylor. He put the sledgehammer on Crayton at the end of the first win at Dallas, and it was both vicious and clean (and the resulting incompletion should have been ruled a fumble BTW). To argue that Williams collaring a player is more sound tackling technique on WRs and RBs than hitting and wrapping is ridiculous.
Not really that ridiculous actually, you can't 'Hit' a player that you are trailing. You can dive at his legs or waist and drag him down, but you risk losing him when he flicks his hips or highsteps out of the attempted tackle.

You also risk losing him if he cuts into your angle of pursuit. The player also will fall forward gaining more yards.

There is nothing wrong with Sean Taylor I think he is top 5 or sis at SS, but every scout in the league will tell you that The big hitter at SS is Roy.

If you think he tackles illegally from behind, you definitely have an arguement to make. But don't say that Roy doesn't know how to hit.
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Old 12-21-2005, 10:33 AM   #55
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Bullsh!t. Witten had BOTH feet inbounds and was moving forward when Washington hit him. I TiVo'ed the game and have watched the replay several times - it isn't hard to see. Aikman (remember, he played for the Cowboys?) and Buck both called it a lousy penalty.
Granted I saw the replay too and he was in bounds. But that point is NIL and does not mean a thing!

The whistle had blown, and that was the deciding factor here with regards to the penalty, it does not matter if he was in bounds or not, or making forward progress or not, once the whistle blows, the play is over, done and finished. The hit was clearly AFTER the whistle had blown. Watch your Tivo again and you will see what I mean. And the ref called the penalty for a late hit AFTER THE WHISTLE, not because he was out of bounds. He was probably incorrect in saying that forward progress had stopped, but he was not incorrect in saying that the hit came after the whistle. Again that point of "forward progress" is nil because the play was blown dead, and then the hit came.

Aikman and Buck said it was a lousy call because the ref stated that forward progress was stopped, they did not call it a lousy penalty because of a hit after the play was blown dead though. And that is what the penalty was for, a hit after the whistle, not a hit out of bounds. The ref was premature in blowing the whistle, but that does not give a player a right to keep going and hit the guy. Once the whistle blows, that's it, the play is over, regardless of whether or not forward progress was stopped

Even if the referee had blown the whistle too early, it does not matter, the play is over. And if you hit a player like that AFTER the play is blown dead, you will get a penalty every time!
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SEan Taylor plays Free Safety first of all, second of all -- Williams is great if he sits at the line of scrimmage and the running back runs into him. Otherwise he's a liability in coverage, and every time I've watched Jacked up this year I have yet to see a Roy Williams hit I remember, I distinctly remember three Sean Taylor hits of him blowing someone up.

Roy Williams is over and done. He's getting fat and old. As my friend said, he's only a biscuit away from being a Dlineman.
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SEan Taylor plays Free Safety first of all, second of all -- Williams is great if he sits at the line of scrimmage and the running back runs into him. Otherwise he's a liability in coverage, and every time I've watched Jacked up this year I have yet to see a Roy Williams hit I remember, I distinctly remember three Sean Taylor hits of him blowing someone up.

Roy Williams is over and done. He's getting fat and old. As my friend said, he's only a biscuit away from being a Dlineman.
Roy is big for a safety, and could also play LB. But he is far from over and done like you say.

You won't see Roy near the line of scrimmage like you used to, or see the opportunity for hits like Taylor gets. Cowboys run the 3-4 as opposed to the 4-3 in Washington. The Dallas defense can count on the LB's and front 3 to make the stops near the line. If you have to move your safety inside the box to stop the run, you have an issue with your front 7 that needs attention.
Only time you will see Williams near the line is on a safety blitz.

If anyone has a chance of being DONE it is Sean Taylor, he could very well spend the offseason in jail, or worse if convicted on that gun charge. If he spends the off-season in and out of court or at worse, in jail, then his off-season conditioning will suffer greatly, and it will show next season. That is, if he is even back next season, and not punching out license plates.
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If anyone has a chance of being DONE it is Sean Taylor, he could very well spend the offseason in jail, or worse if convicted on that gun charge. If he spends the off-season in and out of court or at worse, in jail, then his off-season conditioning will suffer greatly, and it will show next season. That is, if he is even back next season, and not punching out license plates.
I'm not sure which is funnier, the dejected look on Parcells face when he lost 35-7, or a COWBOYS fan ragging on a Skins player for breaking the law.
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I'm not sure which is funnier, the dejected look on Parcells face when he lost 35-7, or a COWBOYS fan ragging on a Skins player for breaking the law.
The look is very similar to the one on Gibbs face when he got beat 36-0 by the Giants.

But back to the subject, the point I was merely trying to make is Taylor cannot have his legal issues effect his off-season. The NFC East looks to be a tight, hard fought division for the next few years, and off-season programs will be very important to alll the players.

You don't want Taylor to show up to camp like Jamal Lewis did this year. He spent the off-season in prison, and the conditioning greatly effected his performance for the whole season, which was far below his capabilities.
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SEan Taylor plays Free Safety first of all, second of all -- Williams is great if he sits at the line of scrimmage and the running back runs into him. Otherwise he's a liability in coverage, and every time I've watched Jacked up this year I have yet to see a Roy Williams hit I remember, I distinctly remember three Sean Taylor hits of him blowing someone up.

Roy Williams is over and done. He's getting fat and old. As my friend said, he's only a biscuit away from being a Dlineman.
You're right Taylor is a FS.


I don't think that appearances on Jacked up qualifies for anything other than television ratings.

I'd love to be that kind of fat if Roy is fat.

Yeah he's a big SS.

ANd it was Parcells who said he is only a biscuit from being a Linebacker.
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