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Old 12-22-2005, 07:41 PM   #61
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Re: Sean Taylor going to the Pro Bowl!

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The real question Mr. Sandtrap is were there any Free Safites that got in. There is a flaw in the system when you have just strong safties make it. Hey just remember those 2 TD's in September against your All Pro. Boy guess they did not consider that game.
CTR3 Correction the best 3 safeties go to the PB and at least 1 of each position it so happen that this year from the NFC 2 SS and 1FS got picked and from the AFC 2 FS and 1SS got in so man do some research before you post
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Old 12-22-2005, 09:03 PM   #62
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Re: Sean Taylor going to the Pro Bowl!

NLtbE incentives i believe DO count against the cap the year after they're earned... I don't think there's any free money allowed in the cap structure.
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Old 12-22-2005, 09:18 PM   #63
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To be a little more specific, incentives that are not LTBE(likely to be earned) do not count against the cap. Since Taylor has never made a Pro Bowl, that would be a non LTBE incentive, and not count against the cap.
Money made in incentives do count against cap as bonus money, otherwise every owner and their mother would be dishing out incentives to keep good players. I mean can you imagine ab incentive like get "1 INT" for top caliber CB?
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Old 12-22-2005, 10:52 PM   #64
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By your logic, it also makes sense that Williams gets more tackles(horse collars, in Roy's case) than Taylor, since strong safeties generally play the run first, and the pass second, while free safeties play the pass first, and the run second. Williams does play the run very well, but he also bites on play action more than anyone in the league. He also appears to have learned pass coverage from a block of swiss cheese.
So by YOUR LOGIC, since Taylor is a FS he should have more INT's than Williams, but that is not the case either.
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Old 12-22-2005, 11:34 PM   #65
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Re: Sean Taylor going to the Pro Bowl!

wait, how can ANYBODY be spouting off Roy Williams's merits here after he was so thoroughly embarassed on national TV in week2. last week wasn't so hot for him either.

it's like when you guys started spouting off about Whitten...hey you guys prolly know our TE by now right?
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Old 12-23-2005, 01:24 AM   #66
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Re: Sean Taylor going to the Pro Bowl!

Dont you dallas guys see that Roy Williams is to blame for your deffense's demise? I mean ever since week 2 when we exposed him he gets burned by any team that has a speedy WR. Watch what happens this weekend when Steve Smith goes blazing by him for another TD...
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Old 12-23-2005, 09:22 AM   #67
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Why would he put himself in that kind of situation?? Agreed he's not been convicted, but if you think he made "role model" decisions that night, we need to talk...


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Well, there have been times when I haven't made role model decisions. In fact, I could probably share some shocking things about my past, yet if you met me in person you'd think I was pretty cool dude.

All I am saying is, I think we use the word "thug" and "gangsta" very loosely. Especially when we really don't know the person for ourselves. I think if there's a consistent pattern of the same behaviour, then perhaps one could be called a gangsta or whatever. I'm in no way excusing or defending what appears to have happened with Sean this summer. But one incident hardly qualifies, in my mind, Sean Taylor or anyone else as a gangsta.

But then again, maybe we have two totally different definitions of a gangsta.

Bottom line, I think we both love Sean playing for our team and want him here for as long as he can stay.

I'm pretty confident he'll represent the Redskins in many Pro-Bowls and do it with class.
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Old 12-23-2005, 09:46 AM   #68
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Well, there have been times when I haven't made role model decisions. In fact, I could probably share some shocking things about my past, yet if you met me in person you'd think I was pretty cool dude.

All I am saying is, I think we use the word "thug" and "gangsta" very loosely. Especially when we really don't know the person for ourselves. I think if there's a consistent pattern of the same behaviour, then perhaps one could be called a gangsta or whatever. I'm in no way excusing or defending what appears to have happened with Sean this summer. But one incident hardly qualifies, in my mind, Sean Taylor or anyone else as a gangsta.

But then again, maybe we have two totally different definitions of a gangsta.

Bottom line, I think we both love Sean playing for our team and want him here for as long as he can stay.

I'm pretty confident he'll represent the Redskins in many Pro-Bowls and do it with class.
Here! Here! (or is it Hear! Hear!?) - can't argue with any of that - well said numero 12. :headbange
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Old 12-23-2005, 09:53 AM   #69
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Here! Here! (or is it Hear! Hear!?) - can't argue with any of that - well said numero 12. :headbange
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Old 12-23-2005, 10:56 AM   #70
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Re: Sean Taylor going to the Pro Bowl!

It is clear that whoever started this thread is aware that Sean Taylor is a much better player than Roy Williams or else he wouldn't have pointed this out.

If I were a Cowboys fan I wouldn't be a fan of Roy Williams because he plays for the Redskins. Oops, I thought he was trying to block for Santana because it doesn't look like he was trying to cover him.

You idiot, he's the reason that we swept you'll!
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Old 12-23-2005, 11:18 AM   #71
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NLtbE incentives i believe DO count against the cap the year after they're earned... I don't think there's any free money allowed in the cap structure.
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Money made in incentives do count against cap as bonus money, otherwise every owner and their mother would be dishing out incentives to keep good players. I mean can you imagine ab incentive like get "1 INT" for top caliber CB?
From Al Lackner, Senior Editor and cap specialist at askthecommish.com, on LTBE and NLTBE incentives.

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An impartial arbitrator will hear disputes between the owners and the players concerning what should be considered LTBE (especially for rookies or veterans who did not play in the prior year). Conversely, if a player did not reach the performance incentive in the previous year, the incentive is deemed "not likely to be earned" (NLTBE) and is not included in team salary.
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Old 12-23-2005, 11:29 AM   #72
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So by YOUR LOGIC, since Taylor is a FS he should have more INT's than Williams, but that is not the case either.
That's partially because when Taylor is in pass defense, he'd actually rather decleat the receiver, and not just sit back and cherry pick, or wait for them to run by so he can horse collar them like Williams does. And for every route that Roy Williams jumps to make a pick, the other nine times out of ten, he judges it poorly and gets torched for long gains or scores.
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Old 12-23-2005, 11:31 AM   #73
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OOps my mistake, it is Roy Williams representing the NFC in Honolulu, again, for the 3rd time in 4 years as a pro.
Well if this is all you have to hang your hat on enjoy! As for Taylor he had a so so season as did over rated Williams!

PS big guy Moss on the other is having a great year and it all started with Williams so I hope he send him a Xmas card!!!! :headbange :headbange
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Old 12-23-2005, 01:29 PM   #74
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Why would he put himself in that kind of situation?? Agreed he's not been convicted, but if you think he made "role model" decisions that night, we need to talk...


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Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!

AJFC, I believe you have hit upon the real reason why S. Taylor isn't in the PB this year!

Voters must have remembered that off-season incident, and voted for someone else without looking at his on-the-field actions!

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Old 12-23-2005, 04:14 PM   #75
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Re: Sean Taylor going to the Pro Bowl!

Ask Terry Glenn who is better. He'll probably lie and say Roy Williams, but he'll flinch when you mention the name Sean Taylor.
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