How Hurt Do You Think Brunell Is?

Mattyk · 12-27-2005, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsguy

If he starts, I hope this does happen. Heck, if he leads this team all the way to a Super Bowl victory, even better! I believe it comes down to how well Ramsey can improvise. In our opening scoring drive, Brunell had to improvise a couple times (the scramble for a first down and the last minute shovel pass to Royal) in order to keep the drive alive. It remains to be seen if Ramsey has that same presence in mind to improvise when things break down. I believe those things are aspects of a long time veteran quarterback.

I liked how Ramsey threw it away once and he also seemed to get the ball out quick and he didn't hesitate to dump it off.

Hog1 · 12-27-2005, 09:50 AM

AT THIS point in the season, to imply, suggest, reference ANYTHING be changed to upset a cohesive, comradic, Winning, DANGEROUS Redskin team unlike anything seen in Redskin land since the last time JOE built one is beyond logical, or LUCID thought!
I am to adjectively exhausted to say more

firstdown · 12-27-2005, 10:17 AM

I will have to say that I was impressed with how Ramsey ran the O. He was efficient but far from great. Lets remember he only threw 7 passes and made 5 for 105 yards and one of them was for 75 yards which Moss made a great catch and move for the TD. I know Brunells TDs were not the best passes of the year but every time we hear a case for Ramsey we hear about Brunells flaws even if we won the game. With that said I feel Ramsey has learned alot form watching Brunell and how he manages a game. If you think about it this is the first time Ramsey has realy had a chance to watch a winning QB for the Skins and how they manage a game.

dmek25 · 12-27-2005, 10:22 AM

on comcast brunell listed as day to day.they also showed him walking to his car without a limp.i gotta think he will play.if not,ramsey is more than capable of beating the eagles.it looked like he might have learned a few things sitting like throwing the ball away,checking to safety valve passes,and getting the ball out faster.i want brunell to play but ramsey is a more than adequet backup that alot of other teams would covet

Mattyk · 12-27-2005, 10:27 AM

I sprained my MCL in high school and was able to play the next week. Not that high school football is anywhere near the level of the NFL, but I can relate to the injury itself. It was painful but my knee was stable, and if Brunell is in the same boat I think he should be able to play. Plus I think it's safe to say he's getting better treatment than I did.

skinsguy · 12-27-2005, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I liked how Ramsey threw it away once and he also seemed to get the ball out quick and he didn't hesitate to dump it off.

I believe that is why I feel that sometimes it's just as important to spend time on the sidelines watching a veteran quarterback run the offense. Ramsey has had the opportunity to see what Brunell does when situations break down. Patrick looked like he made good decisions. I still believe our best bet is to go with Brunell this Sunday if he's healthy. This might work out well for us, because Philly isn't going to know which QB to gameplan for.

12thMan · 12-27-2005, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I sprained my MCL in high school and was able to play the next week. Not that high school football is anywhere near the level of the NFL, but I can relate to the injury itself. It was painful but my knee was stable, and if Brunell is in the same boat I think he should be able to play. Plus I think it's safe to say he's getting better treatment than I did.

Matty, are you available if called upon?

Mattyk · 12-27-2005, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

Matty, are you available if called upon?

Hell yeah, just put me in coach!

Hog1 · 12-27-2005, 10:49 AM

90,000 rabid, screaming fans chanting in unison.....................MATTYK72............... .........it has a certain ring-yea right

Hog1 · 12-27-2005, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by offiss

Yes Brunell can bail a play out on occasion with his legs, but Ramsey can Bail a play out with his arm, some of those Brunell scrambles are a result of his inability to get the ball deep downfield, or inability to provide enough arm strength to squeeze a ball into a tight spot 20 yards downfield. I think those are the intagables that Ramsey will bring to the table to offset his lack of ability to run. We will see plays that brunell would have ran and made a first down when Ramsey does not, but we will also see plays in which Ramsey hits big plays downfield in which Brunell would not. I know Ramsey does not have Brunells legs, but I also think he's a little faster than he's givin credit.

I feel confident that Patrick "can" do the things you suggest in your post. I believe in him as well. To date, those attributes have not been seen on a consistent basis or have been accompanied by other negative traits and/or results. He did have a big part in the Giant win in relief for Brunell. I am damn glad to have him, as are all Skins fans.
You speak several times in the post that you "think" Patrick can so this or that. The difference with that line of thought and Brunell, is Brunell "has" demonstrated week after week that he can deliver those things. I'm not sure the big deal with Brunell and the long ball, as he has burned teams weekly with just that! Brunell has the team on the verge of something we have ALL waited for a long, long time. Patrick may be a different more mature QB than he was at the beginning of the year. Now is not the time to risk what might be as we ALREADY have, what is in hand. Not a good decision, even for a Ramsey Homer.

skinsguy · 12-27-2005, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog1

I feel confident that Patrick "can" do the things you suggest in your post. I believe in him as well. To date, those attributes have not been seen on a consistent basis or have been accompanied by other negative traits and/or results. He did have a big part in the Giant win in relief for Brunell. I am damn glad to have him, as are all Skins fans.
You speak several times in the post that you "think" Patrick can so this or that. The difference with that line of thought and Brunell, is Brunell "has" demonstrated week after week that he can deliver those things. I'm not sure the big deal with Brunell and the long ball, as he has burned teams weekly with just that! Brunell has the team on the verge of something we have ALL waited for a long, long time. Patrick may be a different more mature QB than he was at the beginning of the year. Now is not the time to risk what might be as we ALREADY have, what is in hand. Not a good decision, even for a Ramsey Homer.

AMEN!!!! I'm not doubting that Ramsey has a strong arm nor am I doubting that he might have matured a bit by watching Brunell play this year. However, I KNOW what Brunell can do to improvise - and that comes by having years of experience in the NFL. You don't have to have a strong arm to improvise nor do you have to have a strong arm to make a big play. Case in point, the shovel pass to Royal and everybody's favorite little hitch pass to Moss that went for a TD.

12thMan · 12-27-2005, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Hell yeah, just put me in coach!

thatsa my boy!

firstdown · 12-27-2005, 05:23 PM

Right now I'm just glad to have both QB's on this team. It was big for Ramsey to step in and drive us down for two scores which was the margin of victory. Brunell is our starter and will be if helthy enough to play. Its nice to know that we have a BU that could start for alot of teams in this league. We can argue back and forth all day but lets face it we are arguing a positive for this team right now and alot of teams would like to have our talent on the bench.

hail2skins · 12-27-2005, 06:04 PM

According to the Wash Post, there is no structural damage and Gibbs believes he'll play.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...122600679.html

skinsguy · 12-27-2005, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by offiss

All I can say is this, because Ramsey hasen't played everyone believes he is incapable of outperforming Brunell, or at least playing as well, we are very close to finding out otherwise, if Patrick gets a real chance he's going to prove he's far better than most gave him credit for.

Nobody said Ramsey is incapable of outperforming Brunell, but if Brunell is healthy, you don't stick Ramsey in at this point just to see if he can out perform Brunell....that is what preseason is for. As said before, we know what Brunell is capable of, and a proven veteran is always better to turn to than someone who might be capable of the same performance.

12-27-2005, 09:50 AM	#32
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 8,413	Re: How Hurt Do You Think Brunell Is? AT THIS point in the season, to imply, suggest, reference ANYTHING be changed to upset a cohesive, comradic, Winning, DANGEROUS Redskin team unlike anything seen in Redskin land since the last time JOE built one is beyond logical, or LUCID thought! I am to adjectively exhausted to say more __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... Win! Always win! By fair means or foul, by soft words and hard deeds... by treachery, by cunning, by malpractice... but always win--Edward Teach

12-27-2005, 10:17 AM	#33
firstdown Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: chesapeake, va Age: 49 Posts: 15,277	Re: How Hurt Do You Think Brunell Is? I will have to say that I was impressed with how Ramsey ran the O. He was efficient but far from great. Lets remember he only threw 7 passes and made 5 for 105 yards and one of them was for 75 yards which Moss made a great catch and move for the TD. I know Brunells TDs were not the best passes of the year but every time we hear a case for Ramsey we hear about Brunells flaws even if we won the game. With that said I feel Ramsey has learned alot form watching Brunell and how he manages a game. If you think about it this is the first time Ramsey has realy had a chance to watch a winning QB for the Skins and how they manage a game.

12-27-2005, 10:22 AM	#34
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 51 Posts: 10,448	Re: How Hurt Do You Think Brunell Is? on comcast brunell listed as day to day.they also showed him walking to his car without a limp.i gotta think he will play.if not,ramsey is more than capable of beating the eagles.it looked like he might have learned a few things sitting like throwing the ball away,checking to safety valve passes,and getting the ball out faster.i want brunell to play but ramsey is a more than adequet backup that alot of other teams would covet

12-27-2005, 10:27 AM	#35
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 73,184	Re: How Hurt Do You Think Brunell Is? I sprained my MCL in high school and was able to play the next week. Not that high school football is anywhere near the level of the NFL, but I can relate to the injury itself. It was painful but my knee was stable, and if Brunell is in the same boat I think he should be able to play. Plus I think it's safe to say he's getting better treatment than I did. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

12-27-2005, 10:49 AM	#39
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 8,413	Re: How Hurt Do You Think Brunell Is? 90,000 rabid, screaming fans chanting in unison.....................MATTYK72............... .........it has a certain ring-yea right __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... Win! Always win! By fair means or foul, by soft words and hard deeds... by treachery, by cunning, by malpractice... but always win--Edward Teach

12-27-2005, 05:23 PM	#43
firstdown Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: chesapeake, va Age: 49 Posts: 15,277	Re: How Hurt Do You Think Brunell Is? Right now I'm just glad to have both QB's on this team. It was big for Ramsey to step in and drive us down for two scores which was the margin of victory. Brunell is our starter and will be if helthy enough to play. Its nice to know that we have a BU that could start for alot of teams in this league. We can argue back and forth all day but lets face it we are arguing a positive for this team right now and alot of teams would like to have our talent on the bench.

12-27-2005, 06:04 PM	#44
hail2skins Camp Scrub Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 14	Re: How Hurt Do You Think Brunell Is? According to the Wash Post, there is no structural damage and Gibbs believes he'll play. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...122600679.html

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