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Old 12-29-2005, 11:13 AM   #16
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Funny because many of us were all up in arms over giving a new contract to an unproven Moss.
You can count me among those folks
Lets just hope he doesnt go all TO on us after this amazing season!
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Old 12-29-2005, 12:06 PM   #17
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Coles may have good straight line speed, but I've never seen anyone in a Redskins uniform make the moves that Moss makes.

If you watch some old tapes of Ricky Sanders, they're alot alike. Ricky had amazing speed and some sick moves... but he was just never featured as a number 1 reciever and used to the extent that moss was, because IMHO we had a better corps of complimentary recievers.
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Funny because many of us were all up in arms over giving a new contract to an unproven Moss.

Do you remember what the details were on his contract?

Hopefully he wont be asking for a new one anytime soon.
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Old 12-29-2005, 12:13 PM   #19
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Looking at the great Gibbs teams of the past, we always had a burner at WR in Gary Clark or Ricky Sanders and then we had a big target in Art Monk. Probably what we need is another big target. However, Cooley has probably served in that role this season. Moss makes people miss, while Cooley just runs over guys. Have you guys noticed like I have this year that the first guy that hits Cooley, almost never brings him down? It is always the second or third guy. Unlike many of you, I have not lost faith in Patten just yet. Right now we just aren't using anyone other than Moss and Cooley, but I think Patten can still be a big part of this team next year.
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Old 12-29-2005, 12:19 PM   #20
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Do you remember what the details were on his contract?

Hopefully he wont be asking for a new one anytime soon.
Straight from Canuck's cap sheets

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7 years/$31.05M/$3M SB/$910K RB in 2006/$7M SB in 2006
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Old 12-29-2005, 01:14 PM   #21
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If you watch some old tapes of Ricky Sanders, they're alot alike. Ricky had amazing speed and some sick moves... but he was just never featured as a number 1 reciever and used to the extent that moss was, because IMHO we had a better corps of complimentary recievers.
Can't argue with that. Gary Clark and Art Monk. In any given game, any one of those guys could be considered a #1 guy. I always thought of Clark being #1 because of his homerun ability, followed by Art Monk and Ricky Sanders being the #3 receiver.
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Old 12-29-2005, 06:22 PM   #22
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im not saying that coles is as good or better than moss but too many people forgot so quickly that we are a much better team than we were last year and the jets are much worse, and not because of this trade. that in itself is going to make moss look better and coles look worse.
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Old 12-30-2005, 04:02 AM   #23
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Even if Coles was 100% healthy I don't think he could do what Moss has done under similar circumstances.

Moss is much quicker, faster, has better hands, runs sharper routes, etc.

Coles may have good straight line speed, but I've never seen anyone in a Redskins uniform make the moves that Moss makes.

How many WR screens has he broken for big gains this year??

We threw the same screens to Coles last year and I don't recall him breaking any for big gains.
Absolutely. It's hard to compare a TE to a WR, but obviously Santana Claus is much better than L. Coles, who refused to have toe surgery, he still hasn't had it, and he's not as fast as he used to be. Cooley is in the Top 10 in NFC receivers, with 2 more TDs and no LB can cover him. You have to rate him in the top tier TEs in the league, behind Gates and Heap. I would rather have him than Shockey for his consistency and instincs and Gonzalez doesn't catch TDs anymore. Our foes have to double Santana but Cooley can run through guys. Coles and Gardner are hacks and didn't want to be here. Wasn't Cooley a 3rd round draft pick, too? We like the U, not FSU (see Portis, Moss, S. Taylor). Cooley.
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Old 12-30-2005, 07:18 AM   #24
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Cooley stats even look pretty good against Randy Moss....889 and 6 tds for Moss and 766 adn 7 tdsfor the Coolanator. Heck he's right there with Heap, Gonzo and Crumpler in yards and has more tds then Crump and Gonzo. In his second YEAR! Go Cooley, Go Cooley.
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Old 12-30-2005, 11:54 AM   #25
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Re: coles v.s. cooley

There is no doubting that Moss is a serious scare to our competition. They MUST double him or risk being "allaned". Having said that, we are extremely thin at the WR position...
1. Moss
2. Patten
3. Trash
4. Jacobs
5. Brown
6. Farris

I will give Patten a pass this year, due to injury. But Trash, is getting old, Jacobs is a bust (how many years now?) ,Brown is not consistent, and Farris is just too much of an uknown.

We need serious upgrading on WR 3-4, that will allow our current 3-4 to move to 5-6. I am just disgusted with Jacobs. I have read here before that Brunnel won't throw to him. Brunnel just doesn't trust him. (period) Jacobs has to earn that respect from Brunnel.

We don't need a major overhaul here. We just need to improve our depth. If we cut Farris and Jacobs, that opens up 2 positions, maybe one for a draft choice, and one for a FA.

my 2 cents.....
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Old 12-30-2005, 11:58 AM   #26
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moss bring something coles didnt..and thats pure speed..
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moss bring something coles didnt..and thats pure speed..

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Old 12-30-2005, 02:38 PM   #28
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when coles first came into the league ,he burned up the combine 40 time around 4.2 i think that toe injury is a bigger issue than he lets on.why in the world doesnt he get it taken care of?
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when coles first came into the league ,he burned up the combine 40 time around 4.2 i think that toe injury is a bigger issue than he lets on.why in the world doesnt he get it taken care of?
I like Coles a lot, I don't think we was as productive as Moss, but he worked hard while he was here. He has had some bad quarterback experiences over the last couple years, but his performance with Pennington the last year he was healthy and the first year he was was Washington earns him some credit.

Sometimes I wonder if the toe surgery has some type of weird side effect, like losing your toe or if it isn't curable anyway.
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Old 12-30-2005, 11:21 PM   #30
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I like Coles a lot, I don't think we was as productive as Moss, but he worked hard while he was here. He has had some bad quarterback experiences over the last couple years, but his performance with Pennington the last year he was healthy and the first year he was was Washington earns him some credit.

Sometimes I wonder if the toe surgery has some type of weird side effect, like losing your toe or if it isn't curable anyway.
I think he didn't want to do it because the surgery had a chance of ending his career, or it could fix his toe. He didn't want to take the risk
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