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Old 04-24-2004, 09:51 PM   #16
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we still have a 5th rounder, just lower in the 5th... still sounds like a steep price
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Old 04-24-2004, 09:54 PM   #17
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his numbers are acutally better, or atleast the same, as Winslows numbers. Granted, it was in the SunBelt conference, but still, he had over 60 receptions while lining up as a full back and a tightend. Could be the receiving threat we needed to go with Rasby blocking. Im excited about the possabilities.
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Old 04-24-2004, 09:58 PM   #18
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfldraft/d...player?id=7955

Not exactly a glowing recommendation.
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Old 04-24-2004, 10:03 PM   #19
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the SI one wasnt that bad. It acutally says a lot of great things about him. Then all of a sudden just says that he'll neverstart but can play a hback role well. If Gibbs worked him out. ive gotta beleive he thinks he will start and contribute in that role. Expecially to warrant a second round pick.
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Old 04-24-2004, 10:30 PM   #20
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Yeah, I put my faith into watching players play. So where's SkinsNutahstate when you need him! 8)
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Old 04-25-2004, 12:21 AM   #21
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yeah. read the reviews seems like he should be fine. Did you see his 40 time - 4.89??

Yes, I know that generally, too much weight may be given to 40 times, but that seems really high to me, not much faster than a D-Lineman. It says he catches well in traffic. He better, 'cause with that time, that's the only place he is gonna catch anything.
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Old 04-25-2004, 12:37 AM   #22
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Well, he was one of the hardest hitters on the team (Utah State)

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Known more for his receiving skills, Cooley is also regarded as an excellent blocker. He twice earned the Aggies' Golden Helmet Award honors as the team's hardest hitter.
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Old 04-25-2004, 02:31 AM   #23
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Angry Typical over-paying / over-reaching by the front office

Note: I do like Chris Cooley. --- But, I have problem with giving away 2005_2nd_round draft pick. --- Soon, we will be scrambling and scraping for 2005 draft picks, just like this 2004 season. --- Does this mean we have to trade away our star players in 2005, just so that we can replenish our dwindling draft picks _?

Why can we negotiate like the other team? --- Why do we have to overpay time & time again?
Dolphins, Packers, Ravens, Saints, and Vikings, -- they all have superior negotiating skills than our Redskins FO.

Please check this link: ________ http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/trades


:confused- __________ Does any1 know -- who is acting as our negotiator when we are dealing with the other team _?

__________ It is obvious our Redskins incompetent negotiators are -- the weakest_link in the front office.

__________ I think ( Gibbs + Danny ) must remove our inferior negotiators and replace them with personnel who are top-notch negotiators.

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Old 04-25-2004, 02:32 AM   #24
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i hope he does well to have earned such a trade to get him, but i personally would have rather held onto the pick next year, even though it won't be all that great of a pick, and try to work out something to get a player like Heath Miller of UVA in next years draft.

I was wondering something about the h-back position 2: is there a certain height the player should be, as in not too short but not too tall. cuz before this pick up i was thinking about the wr from va tech Ernest Wilford who has a solid te type frame of 6'3 and 220 lbs. has decent speed, very natural hands, very good blocker, and a 38 & 1/2 inch vertical.
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Old 04-25-2004, 02:52 AM   #25
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you usually want them to be bigger than that. More of a fullback/te mold. That way they arent just receivers, in fact they should be primarily blockers but have that extra threat. If they are small, 220, 230ish then linebacks and dlinemen will have their way with them.. Cooley could be a great size for Gibbs system.
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Old 04-25-2004, 03:28 AM   #26
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k, thanks skinsncanes
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Old 04-25-2004, 05:47 AM   #27
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He got more total yards then Winslow last year
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Old 04-25-2004, 07:10 AM   #28
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One thing strikes me about the complaints on the trade. We traded next years 2nd rounder and swapped this years 5th round picks. You can all but disregard the 5th's as they were a swap. So what you are left with is a hopefully late 2nd round pick next year, in return for a high 3rd round pick this year and a need player taken with that pick. How is that so bad?

The Saints may have got the better side of the deal in terms of position, but that pick is next years. They can't address any needs with it this year. IMHO that's a fairly balanced trade.

This guy fits JG's O to a T, and we didn't exactly mortgage away the teams future on him. Lighten up guys and look forward to camp!
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Old 04-25-2004, 07:32 AM   #29
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I really dont think the trade is that bad at all. I mean yeah, a second rounder is pretty high. Like Emouse said, its a hopefullly a late second for a nice early third. We needed another guy to step in and try to run the TE/H-Back, and hopefully we took care of it. Good trade on our part, I must say.
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Old 04-25-2004, 09:24 AM   #30
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One thing strikes me about the complaints on the trade. We traded next years 2nd rounder and swapped this years 5th round picks. You can all but disregard the 5th's as they were a swap. So what you are left with is a hopefully late 2nd round pick next year, in return for a high 3rd round pick this year and a need player taken with that pick. How is that so bad?

The Saints may have got the better side of the deal in terms of position, but that pick is next years. They can't address any needs with it this year. IMHO that's a fairly balanced trade.

This guy fits JG's O to a T, and we didn't exactly mortgage away the teams future on him. Lighten up guys and look forward to camp!
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I really dont think the trade is that bad at all. I mean yeah, a second rounder is pretty high. Like Emouse said, its a hopefullly a late second for a nice early third. We needed another guy to step in and try to run the TE/H-Back, and hopefully we took care of it. Good trade on our part, I must say.
I couldn't disagree more, fellas. We give up a second rounder for a third rounder in return? And for a tight end?

HELLO!! We need defensive linemen, not more tight ends! That's the only way I would justify a trade like this. Someone else hit the nail on the head: There were excellent players left over from the first round that were still available in the second that we had no chance to get. And barring some sort of trade, we'll be in the same position next year.

I don't like this one bit. We were much more solid at TE/H-back with Rasby, Royal, Stephens, Sellers, and Koslowski -- not to mention the possibility of undrafted free agents who can make a contribution. By contrast, the defensive line is still a huge question mark, with no significant upgrades from the losers we had playing there last year.

A stupid, stupid move.
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