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Old 03-03-2010, 03:22 PM   #1
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Uncapped Game: How High Can We Go.

Heck might as well have some fun since we are going into this FA period with no cap.
Here is the link to our current salaries from the Warpath's former salary cap guru's:

http://www.thewarpath.net/WarpathRedskinsCap.htm

And the vet minimum chart:
0 years - $310K
1 year - $385K
2 years - $460K
3 years - $535K
4 to 6 years - $620K
7 to 9 years - $745K
10 or more years - $845K

Our current salary total for players under contract is $60,932,000

Does anyone feel like making projections for where we may end up in this years salary? No cap style projections, just pure salary. So if Sproles is given a 7M dollar contract +5M signing bonus he would add 12M to our total salary.

I haven't done any major number crunch, but I would put our salary figure at 118M. Remember that no dead cap or guaranteed money for players cut (ie portis only drops 7M based on his salary this year) count, only the 53 man roster come September (oh so far away)

If any cap experts want to join in and clarify the accounting numbers better that would be great too.
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Old 03-03-2010, 03:27 PM   #2
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Re: Uncapped Game: How High Can We Go.

$107,932,000 Julius Peppers ---> Haynesworth type deal, 40 guaranteed, 7 a year.
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Re: Uncapped Game: How High Can We Go.

I have a question in this regard. Couldn't we sign whoever we sign this year a contract with a HUGE upfront payday and a million a year for each year of the contract after so if the salary cap comes back we would be safe. Like, for instance, if we gave Peppers (just for example) 80 million for 7 years (the numbers don't matter for the question), and it was 56 million salary year 1, 4 million each year after, no signing bonus.

I realize that is an extreme example, and you would run the risk of them getting injured in year one and you being out a lot of money, but the same thing goes with huge signing bonuses.
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Re: Uncapped Game: How High Can We Go.

You have to remember the 30% rule, meaning if a player's salary last year was 1M, this year it could be no more than 1.3M. Now, where signing bonuses, and option bonuses fit in, that's the question. And where we have an advantage, one would assume. Chicago has 30million (supposedly) of available cash to pay out for free agent signings. That doesn't go to far if you are looking to get Peppers, for example.
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You have to remember the 30% rule, meaning if a player's salary last year was 1M, this year it could be no more than 1.3M. Now, where signing bonuses, and option bonuses fit in, that's the question. And where we have an advantage, one would assume. Chicago has 30million (supposedly) of available cash to pay out for free agent signings. That doesn't go to far if you are looking to get Peppers, for example.
Does the rule apply to free agents you sign? I wouldn't think so.
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Re: Uncapped Game: How High Can We Go.

My understanding is it applies across the board. But don't know where to find a better answer. It doesn't apply to signing/option bonuses for sure.
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Please! Vet min is so 2009. Now it's all about the trade down. You can't be a smart arm chair GM unless you constantly suggest that we trade down no matter what.
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You have to remember the 30% rule, meaning if a player's salary last year was 1M, this year it could be no more than 1.3M. Now, where signing bonuses, and option bonuses fit in, that's the question. And where we have an advantage, one would assume. Chicago has 30million (supposedly) of available cash to pay out for free agent signings. That doesn't go to far if you are looking to get Peppers, for example.
Does that still hold with no CBA in place?

I thought I read somewhere where Snyder clears $300 million a year on just the team alone. So, I think the sky's the limit. Especially with Jerry Jones having to pay his big mortgage, now. Not too many teams in the cash position of the Skins.
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Does that still hold with no CBA in place?

I thought I read somewhere where Snyder clears $300 million a year on just the team alone. So, I think the sky's the limit. Especially with Jerry Jones having to pay his big mortgage, now. Not too many teams in the cash position of the Skins.
There still is a CBA in place. It's just that the rules are different this year based on the circumstances.
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Re: Uncapped Game: How High Can We Go.

Yeah I used to do those cap threads for free agency prediction purposes, no longer needed. But I'll say it gets pretty up there:

Start: $60.0 M
Roster & Workout Bonuses: $5.0
Campbell: $3.2 M (tender)
Rocky: $1.5 M (tender)
Doughty: $1.5 M (tender)
Heyer: $1.5 M (tender)
Golston: $1.5 M (tender)
Rabach: $8 M (signing bonus + salary)
Albright: $1 M (rounded up from vet min)
Daniels: $2 M (signing bonus + salary)
Hunter Smith or some other punter: $1 M
Zo Alexander: $1 M
Julius Peppers: $40 M
Darren Sproles: $10 M
Carlos Dansby: $18 M
Some offensive lineman: $8 M
Rookie 1st Rounder: $25 M
Rookie 2nd Rounder: $2 M
Rookie 4th Rounder: $0.5 M
Other: $5 M

Total: $195 M
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To be young & play NFL football in this era WOW! there's some money out their to be made.
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Please! Vet min is so 2009. Now it's all about the trade down. You can't be a smart arm chair GM unless you constantly suggest that we trade down no matter what.
Yup, trade down in the draft and trade every RFA we have for picks too. We're going to have at least 20 picks.
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Yup, trade down in the draft and trade every RFA we have for picks too. We're going to have at least 20 picks.
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Re: Uncapped Game: How High Can We Go.

Since I don't know all the nuances of the CBA I'm wondering what adverse affect any wholesale spending now will have going forward if/when a salry cap returns. Will contracts have to be renegotiated, players released or any combination of events that may be applicable to the situation in order to satisfy cap demands.

By this being unchartered territory, it has to be extremely challenging for any GM. There's so many questions about the whole situation that cannot be answered today mainly because of the uncertainty associated with the assembly of a new CBA.
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Since I don't know all the nuances of the CBA I'm wondering what adverse affect any wholesale spending now will have going forward if/when a salry cap returns. Will contracts have to be renegotiated, players released or any combination of events that may be applicable to the situation in order to satisfy cap demands.

By this being unchartered territory, it has to be extremely challenging for any GM. There's so many questions about the whole situation that cannot be answered today mainly because of the uncertainty associated with the assembly of a new CBA.
It really depends upon what rules are put in place during the negotiation of a new CBA. They can change the rules around to whatever they want.

But logically speaking, any money paid out during an uncapped year would not count towards any future caps. Including bonuses. But who knows, they could come up with something illogical.
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