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Old 03-12-2012, 07:20 PM   #241
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Seriously some of you guys need to chill this is not the end of the franchise.
I hate to see what you guys do when something bad happens on your real life.
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Old 03-12-2012, 07:20 PM   #242
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Im thinking the way the NFL sees it is that the Redskins didnt necessarily sign a new player during 2010 to a massive FA contract. Rather they just "dumped" money of existing contracts of players that were already under contract, in order to free up money in future years and to get in good fiscal shape.

Still collusion. Still ridiculous. But i can see why other owners, even though acting cullusive, would be upset. But complete bs
I will feel about 20% less pissed off if they decide we still get the penalty, but the rest of the teams don't get the money. It was basically a bunch of cry-babying over a couple of teams who had the nuts to do something that might have been immoral, but not against the written rules. Then they all get together and say, "Well, if anything shouldn't WE get a piece of that pie?"

In addition to that, if the Skins were blindsided by this news, that means it's possible they weren't included in any talks or votes.
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Old 03-12-2012, 07:20 PM   #243
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The union signed off on punishing the teams that didn't illegally conspire to hold their compensation down in 2010?

Classy, real classy.
YES, and you would think with ALL THE GRANDSTANDING De Smith did during the lockout that he would at least have the guts to do something about this but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
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Old 03-12-2012, 07:23 PM   #244
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Seriously some of you guys need to chill this is not the end of the franchise.
I hate to see what you guys do when something bad happens on your real life.
LOL. Honestly, it feels good to care about this team for the first time in a while. If this happened sans the RGIII trade, I'd probably consider this "Redskins-as-usual" and continue on with my evening. Not going to ruin the franchise, but this is just something that until more details come out, stinks to high heaven with BS.
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Old 03-12-2012, 07:24 PM   #245
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Im thinking the way the NFL sees it is that the Redskins didnt necessarily sign a new player during 2010 to a massive FA contract. Rather they just "dumped" money of existing contracts of players that were already under contract, in order to free up money in future years and to get in good fiscal shape.

Still collusion. Still ridiculous. But i can see why other owners, even though acting cullusive, would be upset. But complete bs
Um, collusion or not the NFL had to sign off on the contracts. Someone at the NFL level needs to be fired for not performing their job in denying the contracts or failing to catch this last year when the deals were sent to the NFL for approval.

I really don't care how they got to free up the money.... there was no CBA. With out a CBA all the rules were not in play. Collusion would be when all the owners agree to something that basically corners the market and the players, fans, and other owners are being hurt in some manner.

#1- who's getting hurt?
#2- not all the owners did it
#3- the owners didn't corner the market

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Old 03-12-2012, 07:25 PM   #246
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Re: NFL taking away Redskins cap space

Where is the video of the pissed off Browns fan? That always cheers me up.
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Old 03-12-2012, 07:30 PM   #247
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This could be a way for Snyder to get on the right side of the fans by going back at the league with both barrels. This is the one time we could all sign off and get behind the little bastard.
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Old 03-12-2012, 07:33 PM   #248
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I think the Redskins and Cowboys have a real case.

Julius Peppers was signed by the Bears in 2010 with a "roster bonus" of $12.5 million that was counted IN IT'S ENTIRETY in 2010, it was not carried forward to 2011 where his caphit was $13 million which was $900k base + 1/6th of the $6.5 million signing bonus + $10.5 million roster bonus + easy incentives.

The $12.5 million is nowhere to be seen... it was dumped in 2010.

So where is the biggest "competitive advantage": Dumping Fat Albert or signing Julius Peppers?
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Old 03-12-2012, 07:38 PM   #249
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I will feel about 20% less pissed off if they decide we still get the penalty, but the rest of the teams don't get the money. It was basically a bunch of cry-babying over a couple of teams who had the nuts to do something that might have been immoral, but not against the written rules. Then they all get together and say, "Well, if anything shouldn't WE get a piece of that pie?"

In addition to that, if the Skins were blindsided by this news, that means it's possible they weren't included in any talks or votes.
Again I thought Collusion had to do with say all the owners or all the players agreeing to do something. That something has to corner the market and bring them $$$. and whatever it is has to cause damage to someone.

Not all the owners did the same thing so it was not a group agreeing to do this. By doing this the two teams being punished (Skins and Cowboys) didn't corner the market since other teams had the availability to do the same. and who was damaged? The players received their money that was contracted to them. The Skins still gave the NFL a % of their total earnings.

To top it off there was no CBA. There were no rules other then Federal rules governing Unions if there was collusion then the Gov would be simply penalizing the two teams monitarily not the NFL. Also with out the Union how did the owners collude against the players? How can simply 2 owner collude against the 30 other owners? When there were no rules in place in regards to contracts because the CBA was disolved? Which means the CAP rules were not in place.
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Old 03-12-2012, 07:40 PM   #250
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YES, and you would think with ALL THE GRANDSTANDING De Smith did during the lockout that he would at least have the guts to do something about this but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
They got paid off. They put a price tag on sanctioning the illegal activity the league entered into against them, and more than that, made sure that the only teams that didn't engage in it got punished for doing so.

It's going to be hard to ever be on the union's side again after this.
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Old 03-12-2012, 07:43 PM   #251
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Re: NFL taking away Redskins cap space

It would have been better served had the owners came together with the Skins and Cowboys and spoke with them and basically came to an agreement then in the future they were not going to allow that to happen again.

In other words its one thing if both teams knew what they were doing was wrong and against the rules and did it anyway and then yes you punish them monitarily, hit them in the pocket. But... when there is no rule against it, and the NFL fails to tell the teams they can't do that, and allows it to happen.... they should not be able to all of a sudden decide to punish monitarily for something that was not against the rules and come up with some fictitious money punishment. How about each team that did this pay a fine say $36 mill over 2 yrs but it does not effect their CAP money.
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Old 03-12-2012, 07:47 PM   #252
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Is the issue here that the Redskins are being fined based on how far they were over an imaginary cap? This article says that we would have been $39 million over in 2010.
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Old 03-12-2012, 07:47 PM   #253
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Okay so looks like I will eat some crow, original reports were correct but at least it can be spread out over 2 years. I am still amazed that this is happening whoever set the deals up in this manner (bruce Allen I am assuming) damn well better lose their job over this.

Anyone else think that we are going to back out of our deal with St Louis now?
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Old 03-12-2012, 07:48 PM   #254
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Ok, DS should appeal and the NFL should hold off Free Agency until they can get this handled in a fair manner or until it can be decided legally. Otherwise hold off the punishment until it can be legally reviewed. The punishment could always be put on us later in which the team might have to cut players perhaps to get below the CAP say $15 mill over 2 yrs.
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Old 03-12-2012, 07:51 PM   #255
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Okay so looks like I will eat some crow, original reports were correct but at least it can be spread out over 2 years. I am still amazed that this is happening whoever set the deals up in this manner (bruce Allen I am assuming) damn well better lose their job over this.

Anyone else think that we are going to back out of our deal with St Louis now?

Nope not at all, they will find a way to work it out im sure.
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