NFL taking away Redskins cap space

biffle · 03-12-2012, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

YES, and you would think with ALL THE GRANDSTANDING De Smith did during the lockout that he would at least have the guts to do something about this but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

They got paid off. They put a price tag on sanctioning the illegal activity the league entered into against them, and more than that, made sure that the only teams that didn't engage in it got punished for doing so.

It's going to be hard to ever be on the union's side again after this.

SBXVII · 03-12-2012, 07:43 PM

It would have been better served had the owners came together with the Skins and Cowboys and spoke with them and basically came to an agreement then in the future they were not going to allow that to happen again.

In other words its one thing if both teams knew what they were doing was wrong and against the rules and did it anyway and then yes you punish them monitarily, hit them in the pocket. But... when there is no rule against it, and the NFL fails to tell the teams they can't do that, and allows it to happen.... they should not be able to all of a sudden decide to punish monitarily for something that was not against the rules and come up with some fictitious money punishment. How about each team that did this pay a fine say $36 mill over 2 yrs but it does not effect their CAP money.

Mayor · 03-12-2012, 07:47 PM

Is the issue here that the Redskins are being fined based on how far they were over an imaginary cap? This article says that we would have been $39 million over in 2010.

Jontrem · 03-12-2012, 07:47 PM

Okay so looks like I will eat some crow, original reports were correct but at least it can be spread out over 2 years. I am still amazed that this is happening whoever set the deals up in this manner (bruce Allen I am assuming) damn well better lose their job over this.

Anyone else think that we are going to back out of our deal with St Louis now?

SBXVII · 03-12-2012, 07:48 PM

Ok, DS should appeal and the NFL should hold off Free Agency until they can get this handled in a fair manner or until it can be decided legally. Otherwise hold off the punishment until it can be legally reviewed. The punishment could always be put on us later in which the team might have to cut players perhaps to get below the CAP say $15 mill over 2 yrs.

Darrell_Green_28 · 03-12-2012, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Jontrem

Okay so looks like I will eat some crow, original reports were correct but at least it can be spread out over 2 years. I am still amazed that this is happening whoever set the deals up in this manner (bruce Allen I am assuming) damn well better lose their job over this.

Anyone else think that we are going to back out of our deal with St Louis now?

Nope not at all, they will find a way to work it out im sure.

Brody81 · 03-12-2012, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Jontrem

Okay so looks like I will eat some crow, original reports were correct but at least it can be spread out over 2 years. I am still amazed that this is happening whoever set the deals up in this manner (bruce Allen I am assuming) damn well better lose their job over this.

Anyone else think that we are going to back out of our deal with St Louis now?

No way!

los panda · 03-12-2012, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jontrem

Okay so looks like I will eat some crow, original reports were correct but at least it can be spread out over 2 years. I am still amazed that this is happening whoever set the deals up in this manner (bruce Allen I am assuming) damn well better lose their job over this.

Anyone else think that we are going to back out of our deal with St Louis now?

nope

Paintrain · 03-12-2012, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

Ok, DS should appeal and the NFL should hold off Free Agency until they can get this handled in a fair manner or until it can be decided legally. Otherwise hold off the punishment until it can be legally reviewed. The punishment could always be put on us later in which the team might have to cut players perhaps to get below the CAP say $15 mill over 2 yrs.

They can't put brakes on the entire process. Push it into next year and the. Get into court. It's dumb to freeze the whole league to sort this out.

Mayor · 03-12-2012, 07:54 PM

Jeezum, folks, stop talking about firing Allen... do you really want Cerrato back?

This isn't a killer even if it ends up being enforced, and it's not Allen's fault that he played by the rules and the rules changed retroactively.

Jontrem · 03-12-2012, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mayor

Jeezum, folks, stop talking about firing Allen... do you really want Cerrato back?

This isn't a killer even if it ends up being enforced, and it's not Allen's fault that he played by the rules and the rules changed retroactively.

I am usually fairly calm and even tempered, but anyway this shakes out I am going to be pissed. If it turns out that we actually did not break any rule then I am going to be angry at the league, if we knowingly broke the rules then I am going to be even more pissed.

So if we take 20 million of the hit this year we would have 20 million to spend and then have to be 16 million under the cap for next year?

The Goat · 03-12-2012, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Paintrain

This could be a way for Snyder to get on the right side of the fans by going back at the league with both barrels. This is the one time we could all sign off and get behind the little bastard.

Agreed!

FRPLG · 03-12-2012, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by biffle

The union signed off on punishing the teams that didn't illegally conspire to hold their compensation down in 2010?

This FTW

los panda · 03-12-2012, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Jontrem

I am usually fairly calm and even tempered, but anyway this shakes out I am going to be pissed. If it turns out that we actually did not break any rule then I am going to be angry at the league, if we knowingly broke the rules then I am going to be even more pissed.

So if we take 20 million of the hit this year we would have 20 million to spend and then have to be 16 million under the cap for next year?

show your work, those numbers confuse me

JWsleep · 03-12-2012, 08:05 PM

Here's what I think happened and why there won't be any lawsuit:

To get the CBA, Danny and Jerry pushed through a number of things, including the uncapped year (which, of course, the players were fine with). The worry was, "hey, you rich guys are going to make a mockery of the whole cap idea in that year!!" Jerry and Danny said, "no, no, we agree--informally--to not dump money during the uncapped year. If we do, y'all can punish us."

Then they went and flaunted the agreement (so it seemed to the "poor" owners). The league signed off on the contracts it did to avoid rocking the boat with the NFLPA (speculation here). But the poor owners thought, **** you rich guys--we'll get you later, as best we can.

This is their attempt to do so. Jerry and Danny are on-board with the CBA and the informal agreement, so what are they supposed to do? They sue their own league? But they were a part of all negotiations and signed off on everything. The details of this informal agreement are key, though. Did they agree in detail on how teams would be punished? Is there an appeals process? Etc. If there is no good recourse here (beyond pulling out of the NFL or something), the skins and boys will eat this and get their revenge later. They've got the money--they support other teams with their largess. I take it the CBA was pushed through to Jerry and Danny's liking and this is the blow-back.

I take it the owner of the Bears is not seen in the same light as Jerry and Danny. Hence, their lack of a penalty. Apparently, the Packers have some questionable stuff too, as do most teams. But we did do the most, so I guess we deserve the worst punishment. But THIRTY SIX MILLION??? That's the "blindsided" bit, I am sure. That's the whole amount "dumped" rather than the amount above 30% or whatever it was. And that money comes straight out of our cap and into the "poor" owners'.

What's especially ****ed is the union was so weak here. Do you really think that money is now going to be spent? Probably the usual suspects will just sit on it. If it stayed with Dallas and DC, it would have gone into fat bonuses and salaries.

This is why we have anti-trust laws, I guess--it keeps shit like this from happening and, maybe more importantly, it provide an avenue of redress when shit goes wrong.

Anyway, that's my thinking. Sorry about the wordy post.

03-12-2012, 07:43 PM	#257
SBXVII Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,498	Re: NFL taking away Redskins cap space It would have been better served had the owners came together with the Skins and Cowboys and spoke with them and basically came to an agreement then in the future they were not going to allow that to happen again. In other words its one thing if both teams knew what they were doing was wrong and against the rules and did it anyway and then yes you punish them monitarily, hit them in the pocket. But... when there is no rule against it, and the NFL fails to tell the teams they can't do that, and allows it to happen.... they should not be able to all of a sudden decide to punish monitarily for something that was not against the rules and come up with some fictitious money punishment. How about each team that did this pay a fine say $36 mill over 2 yrs but it does not effect their CAP money.

03-12-2012, 07:47 PM	#258
Mayor Camp Scrub Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 56	Re: NFL taking away Redskins cap space Is the issue here that the Redskins are being fined based on how far they were over an imaginary cap? This article says that we would have been $39 million over in 2010.

03-12-2012, 07:47 PM	#259
Jontrem Impact Rookie Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 608	Re: NFL taking away Redskins cap space Okay so looks like I will eat some crow, original reports were correct but at least it can be spread out over 2 years. I am still amazed that this is happening whoever set the deals up in this manner (bruce Allen I am assuming) damn well better lose their job over this. Anyone else think that we are going to back out of our deal with St Louis now?

03-12-2012, 07:48 PM	#260
SBXVII Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,498	Re: NFL taking away Redskins cap space Ok, DS should appeal and the NFL should hold off Free Agency until they can get this handled in a fair manner or until it can be decided legally. Otherwise hold off the punishment until it can be legally reviewed. The punishment could always be put on us later in which the team might have to cut players perhaps to get below the CAP say $15 mill over 2 yrs.

03-12-2012, 07:54 PM	#265
Mayor Camp Scrub Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 56	Re: NFL taking away Redskins cap space Jeezum, folks, stop talking about firing Allen... do you really want Cerrato back? This isn't a killer even if it ends up being enforced, and it's not Allen's fault that he played by the rules and the rules changed retroactively.

03-12-2012, 08:05 PM	#270
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 44 Posts: 4,576	Re: NFL taking away Redskins cap space Here's what I think happened and why there won't be any lawsuit: To get the CBA, Danny and Jerry pushed through a number of things, including the uncapped year (which, of course, the players were fine with). The worry was, "hey, you rich guys are going to make a mockery of the whole cap idea in that year!!" Jerry and Danny said, "no, no, we agree--informally--to not dump money during the uncapped year. If we do, y'all can punish us." Then they went and flaunted the agreement (so it seemed to the "poor" owners). The league signed off on the contracts it did to avoid rocking the boat with the NFLPA (speculation here). But the poor owners thought, ** you rich guys--we'll get you later, as best we can. This is their attempt to do so. Jerry and Danny are on-board with the CBA and the informal agreement, so what are they supposed to do? They sue their own league? But they were a part of all negotiations and signed off on everything. The details of this informal agreement are key, though. Did they agree in detail on how teams would be punished? Is there an appeals process? Etc. If there is no good recourse here (beyond pulling out of the NFL or something), the skins and boys will eat this and get their revenge later. They've got the money--they support other teams with their largess. I take it the CBA was pushed through to Jerry and Danny's liking and this is the blow-back. I take it the owner of the Bears is not seen in the same light as Jerry and Danny. Hence, their lack of a penalty. Apparently, the Packers have some questionable stuff too, as do most teams. But we did do the most, so I guess we deserve the worst punishment. But THIRTY SIX MILLION??? That's the "blindsided" bit, I am sure. That's the whole amount "dumped" rather than the amount above 30% or whatever it was. And that money comes straight out of our cap and into the "poor" owners'. What's especially **ed is the union was so weak here. Do you really think that money is now going to be spent? Probably the usual suspects will just sit on it. If it stayed with Dallas and DC, it would have gone into fat bonuses and salaries. This is why we have anti-trust laws, I guess--it keeps shit like this from happening and, maybe more importantly, it provide an avenue of redress when shit goes wrong. Anyway, that's my thinking. Sorry about the wordy post. __________________ Hail from Houston!

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