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Old 03-12-2012, 07:51 PM   #256
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Okay so looks like I will eat some crow, original reports were correct but at least it can be spread out over 2 years. I am still amazed that this is happening whoever set the deals up in this manner (bruce Allen I am assuming) damn well better lose their job over this.

Anyone else think that we are going to back out of our deal with St Louis now?
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Old 03-12-2012, 07:52 PM   #257
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Okay so looks like I will eat some crow, original reports were correct but at least it can be spread out over 2 years. I am still amazed that this is happening whoever set the deals up in this manner (bruce Allen I am assuming) damn well better lose their job over this.

Anyone else think that we are going to back out of our deal with St Louis now?
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Old 03-12-2012, 07:52 PM   #258
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Ok, DS should appeal and the NFL should hold off Free Agency until they can get this handled in a fair manner or until it can be decided legally. Otherwise hold off the punishment until it can be legally reviewed. The punishment could always be put on us later in which the team might have to cut players perhaps to get below the CAP say $15 mill over 2 yrs.
They can't put brakes on the entire process. Push it into next year and the. Get into court. It's dumb to freeze the whole league to sort this out.
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Old 03-12-2012, 07:54 PM   #259
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Jeezum, folks, stop talking about firing Allen... do you really want Cerrato back?

This isn't a killer even if it ends up being enforced, and it's not Allen's fault that he played by the rules and the rules changed retroactively.
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Old 03-12-2012, 07:58 PM   #260
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Jeezum, folks, stop talking about firing Allen... do you really want Cerrato back?

This isn't a killer even if it ends up being enforced, and it's not Allen's fault that he played by the rules and the rules changed retroactively.
I am usually fairly calm and even tempered, but anyway this shakes out I am going to be pissed. If it turns out that we actually did not break any rule then I am going to be angry at the league, if we knowingly broke the rules then I am going to be even more pissed.

So if we take 20 million of the hit this year we would have 20 million to spend and then have to be 16 million under the cap for next year?
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Old 03-12-2012, 07:59 PM   #261
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This could be a way for Snyder to get on the right side of the fans by going back at the league with both barrels. This is the one time we could all sign off and get behind the little bastard.
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The union signed off on punishing the teams that didn't illegally conspire to hold their compensation down in 2010?
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I am usually fairly calm and even tempered, but anyway this shakes out I am going to be pissed. If it turns out that we actually did not break any rule then I am going to be angry at the league, if we knowingly broke the rules then I am going to be even more pissed.

So if we take 20 million of the hit this year we would have 20 million to spend and then have to be 16 million under the cap for next year?
show your work, those numbers confuse me
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Old 03-12-2012, 08:05 PM   #264
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Here's what I think happened and why there won't be any lawsuit:

To get the CBA, Danny and Jerry pushed through a number of things, including the uncapped year (which, of course, the players were fine with). The worry was, "hey, you rich guys are going to make a mockery of the whole cap idea in that year!!" Jerry and Danny said, "no, no, we agree--informally--to not dump money during the uncapped year. If we do, y'all can punish us."

Then they went and flaunted the agreement (so it seemed to the "poor" owners). The league signed off on the contracts it did to avoid rocking the boat with the NFLPA (speculation here). But the poor owners thought, **** you rich guys--we'll get you later, as best we can.

This is their attempt to do so. Jerry and Danny are on-board with the CBA and the informal agreement, so what are they supposed to do? They sue their own league? But they were a part of all negotiations and signed off on everything. The details of this informal agreement are key, though. Did they agree in detail on how teams would be punished? Is there an appeals process? Etc. If there is no good recourse here (beyond pulling out of the NFL or something), the skins and boys will eat this and get their revenge later. They've got the money--they support other teams with their largess. I take it the CBA was pushed through to Jerry and Danny's liking and this is the blow-back.

I take it the owner of the Bears is not seen in the same light as Jerry and Danny. Hence, their lack of a penalty. Apparently, the Packers have some questionable stuff too, as do most teams. But we did do the most, so I guess we deserve the worst punishment. But THIRTY SIX MILLION??? That's the "blindsided" bit, I am sure. That's the whole amount "dumped" rather than the amount above 30% or whatever it was. And that money comes straight out of our cap and into the "poor" owners'.

What's especially ****ed is the union was so weak here. Do you really think that money is now going to be spent? Probably the usual suspects will just sit on it. If it stayed with Dallas and DC, it would have gone into fat bonuses and salaries.

This is why we have anti-trust laws, I guess--it keeps shit like this from happening and, maybe more importantly, it provide an avenue of redress when shit goes wrong.

Anyway, that's my thinking. Sorry about the wordy post.
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Okay so looks like I will eat some crow, original reports were correct but at least it can be spread out over 2 years. I am still amazed that this is happening whoever set the deals up in this manner (bruce Allen I am assuming) damn well better lose their job over this.

Anyone else think that we are going to back out of our deal with St Louis now?
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What's especially ****ed is the union was so weak here. Do you really think that money is now going to be spent? Probably the usual suspects will just sit on it. If it stayed with Dallas and DC, it would have gone into fat bonuses and salaries.

This is why we have anti-trust laws, I guess--it keeps shit like this from happening and, maybe more importantly, it provide an avenue of redress when shit goes wrong.

Anyway, that's my thinking. Sorry about the wordy post.

As Rich Tandler put it...

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So the NFLPA agreed to take $46 million from the #Redskins and #Cowboys, who would spend it, to teams like the Bengals and Bucs who won't.
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Okay so looks like I will eat some crow, original reports were correct but at least it can be spread out over 2 years. I am still amazed that this is happening whoever set the deals up in this manner (bruce Allen I am assuming) damn well better lose their job over this.

Anyone else think that we are going to back out of our deal with St Louis now?
It's not that big of a deal...
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Old 03-12-2012, 08:13 PM   #268
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REDSKINS Statement on the Cap Penalties:

The Redskins Blog | Statement On Adjusted Salary Cap Reports

I think Danny may come out guns blazing.
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REDSKINS Statement on the Cap Penalties:

The Redskins Blog | Statement On Adjusted Salary Cap Reports

I think Danny may come out guns blazing.
“The Washington Redskins have received no written documentation from the NFL concerning adjustments to the team salary cap in 2012 as reported in various media outlets. Every contract entered into by the club during the applicable periods complied with the 2010 and 2011 collective bargaining agreements and, in fact, were approved by the NFL commissioner’s office. We look forward to free agency, the draft and the coming football season.”

Hmmmmm. Is it to early to celebrate? I mean Adam Schefter is confirming that the Redskins will indeed be docked.
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Bruce's statement casts doubt on the report.. The Redskins Blog | Statement On Adjusted Salary Cap Reports
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