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Old 03-12-2012, 10:09 PM   #346
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so what happens at 4 tomorrow? Are we going in this thing like this never came up? Thats how i received it from the statement from the redskins. I wonder if the nfl will come back with something before 4 tomorrow
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Old 03-12-2012, 10:11 PM   #347
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No we are not screwed. We just need to resign Fletch and get a receiver.
I agree. They need to find better value and sign more cap friendly alternatives to guys like Vincent Jackson. While I agree we need to add a WR, I don't think that receiver needs to be all-world. If we get good play from the QB position, the WR production will improve by default. Maybe an Eddie Royal in the slot instead of Moss and someone like Josh Morgan to compliment Hankerson and Gaffney. I think we'd all like to see them better utilize Cooley and Davis.

WRs are a nice to have. Teams regularly win Super Bowls without GREAT WRs. See Steelers, Colts, Patriots, etc. Brees makes weapons out of anyone they trot out on the field. With maybe the exception of Hines Ward, none of those teams will put any WRs in the hall of fame.

And the O line gets a bad rap. The sacks weren't outrageous last year, especially if you eliminate the 10 sack game that I would lay at the feet of John Beck. Grossman had plenty of time to throw downfield, but routinely underthrew his receivers, and there were plenty of running lanes for Royster and Helu, even with our makeshift line.

They could get away with 1 free agent WR and 1 free agent O-lineman and look for some sleepers in the draft. I'm pretty sure they racked up the most yards since 2000 last year. Despite all his skills and potential, RGIII is still a rookie and will experience some growing pains. Let's get through this season, make the best of it and continue to build around RGIII next year. Go young and build for the long haul. I'm not stressing.
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Old 03-12-2012, 10:17 PM   #348
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i think that will change tmrw morning before 4, hope not though
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Old 03-12-2012, 10:23 PM   #349
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They're not being accused of violating US federal or state law though, so a lawsuit against the National Football League by the Washington Redskins is highly dubious.

If they violated any rule, it was a rule in the old CBA.
so contracts between two non federal entities aren't binding? if the CBA says the year is uncapped, then guess what? you can't punish people for treating that year as uncapped unless you had documentation proven that it really wasn't... which, by the way, would incriminate the league for collusion.


there's a difference between criminal, civil, and law and contract law, and agreements are binding regardless of state involvement. obviously not a lawyer, but I don't think it'd be dubious at all.
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Old 03-12-2012, 10:26 PM   #350
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I'd like to see more info on other teams that also used the uncapped year, and aren't being punished for it.
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Old 03-12-2012, 10:30 PM   #351
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so contracts between two non federal entities aren't binding? if the CBA says the year is uncapped, then guess what? you can't punish people for treating that year as uncapped unless you had documentation proven that it really wasn't... which, by the way, would incriminate the league for collusion.


there's a difference between criminal, civil, and law and contract law, and agreements are binding regardless of state involvement. obviously not a lawyer, but I don't think it'd be dubious at all.
The multiple defenses the Redskins can use aside here, 30 owners acting as the NFL can in-fact decide to impose penalties on unwritten rules. That's what the NBA did essentially when they rejected the Chris Paul-Lakers trade (although in that case, the league actually owned one of the teams).

It will be interesting to see if the Redskins can successfully defend themselves. If they're going to defend themselves by litigation, I have no idea how they plan to do that.

If they plan to just reject the penalty on the grounds that the league approved all their moves when made according to the old CBA, I do think the league will have a difficult time forcing this penalty on them. I question whether the league is powerful enough to make the Redskins and Cowboys comply.
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Old 03-12-2012, 10:31 PM   #352
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I just don't see how Collusion applies;
Collusion | Define Collusion at Dictionary.com
In 2010 the NFL OWNERS colluded to artificial hold down player salaries and not dump money in the uncapped year. the redskin and cowboys (among many others) did.
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Old 03-12-2012, 10:31 PM   #353
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As Rich Tandler put it...

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So the NFLPA agreed to take $46 million from the #Redskins and #Cowboys, who would spend it, to teams like the Bengals and Bucs who won't.
This is why the players union should be effffffffing livid.

I cant believe the league office is trying to pull this shit 24 hours before free agency.
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Old 03-12-2012, 10:33 PM   #354
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This is how Dan Snyder and Jerry Jones probably feel

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It's Occupy NFL. The 99% are lashing out at the richest teams.

We need to tear gas the league offices.
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Old 03-12-2012, 10:35 PM   #356
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The multiple defenses the Redskins can use aside here, 30 owners acting as the NFL can in-fact decide to impose penalties on unwritten rules. That's what the NBA did essentially when they rejected the Chris Paul-Lakers trade (although in that case, the league actually owned one of the teams).

It will be interesting to see if the Redskins can successfully defend themselves. If they're going to defend themselves by litigation, I have no idea how they plan to do that.

If they plan to just reject the penalty on the grounds that the league approved all their moves when made according to the old CBA, I do think the league will have a difficult time forcing this penalty on them. I question whether the league is powerful enough to make the Redskins and Cowboys comply.
the chris paul trade wasn't rejected after he had already been on the team for 2 years. this is penalizing them for something the nfl approved of at the time (the contracts), and the NFL is also being very selective on the teams (2 of MANY) it's choosing to hit... I still find it hard to prove they violated contract terms that didn't actually exist.

maybe we should get 30 teams together to say that the giants no longer exist. I'm sure they wouldn't fight that...
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Old 03-12-2012, 10:35 PM   #357
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I'd like to see more info on other teams that also used the uncapped year, and aren't being punished for it.
Green Bay seems to be getting away with murder here.

The Raiders are being "punished" to the tune of about $2 mil in cap room because they, uh, released JaMarcus Russell. I can see the anti competitive balance argument (with Washington and Dallas), but if you're arguing that releasing Russell when they did was a savvy cap technique instead of a football move, it would seem that you would have to explain why he hasn't been in the league in going on three years.
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Old 03-12-2012, 10:37 PM   #358
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The more significant argument to me is: what about all the teams that dropped below the salary floor in 2010 because they were no longer obligated to spend? Should the total leaguewide cap NOT be increased because those teams cut salary specific to the uncapped year?
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This is a big mess. If I'm the Redskins, I'm calling Mike Holmgren, making a deal, getting my draft picks back and then some, drafting Weedon and calling it a day.
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This is a big mess. If I'm the Redskins, I'm calling Mike Holmgren, making a deal, getting my draft picks back and then some, drafting Weedon and calling it a day.
Thank goodness you aren't the Redskins.
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