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Old 03-13-2012, 12:46 AM   #436
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No it doesn't. And hopefully it won't.

But I was just making a joke because someone seemed to mock the idea of doing something about teams that were below the salary floor in 2010 because 'you can't just go back and apply rules retroactively' or whatever. Sorry the attempt at levity was apparently not up to your standards.
Ah I must've missed it. It's all good bro.
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Old 03-13-2012, 12:47 AM   #437
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I expect the skins to still go heavy for Jackson and possibly garcon too
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Old 03-13-2012, 12:49 AM   #438
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Old 03-13-2012, 01:23 AM   #439
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Re: NFL taking away Redskins cap space

Wow...just wow! This thread blew up today! All I can add: hopefully this cap space penalty bullshit unites our team as much as it has the board! Can I get a hell yeah?!
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Old 03-13-2012, 03:05 AM   #440
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WOW!!! Lawsuit coming.
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Old 03-13-2012, 04:13 AM   #441
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Here's a thought, quit bitching about the trade.. You don't like it, we get it but it's done so get over it. We aren't now going to trade with Cleveland, that's just moronic to even conceive and communicate it like it's anything that someone with more than a third grade education would consider.

This sky is falling BS because of this news is just that, BS. I'm sure the powers that be are working on all options to improve this team thru free agency, even if the $36 million penalty sticks. We will spend in free agency, we have 20, TWENTY picks over the next three years and we will see an improvement BESIDES the 'one player' who you seem to be obsessing over.
We can continue to draft the Trent William's, Brian Orakpos and Ryan Kerrigans of the world, but we'll continue to suck until we get a QB. That's 3 top 15 picks over 3 years and all it got us was 5-11. Like Bruce Allen said, we still have 18 picks over last year and this year even after giving up the 2nd this year. They did the right thing.
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Old 03-13-2012, 04:53 AM   #442
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No I haven't been following the news, what's going on?

Just because the NFL attempted to punish the Redskins for breaking an unwritten rule doesn't mean the punishment will stand up in court.

LOL.....righttttttt.
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Old 03-13-2012, 05:50 AM   #443
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Re: NFL taking away Redskins cap space

Well, this sucks, but I don't think that it will have a tremendous impact on us. The reality is that we did a smart thing during the uncapped year and I think we actually did create a competitive advantage, at least as it applies to the salary cap over the long term.

I read that the team can split it up over the next two years any way they see fit. If the team wants to, they can look at next years cap and see that we only have 81 mil on the books. That changes to 76 mil now with the release of Atogwe and Sellers. Moss, Hall, and Cooley could be released to gain another 4, 8, and 4 mil respectively. I expect there will at least be some serious restructuring instead, but if they had to release them, we would be at ~60mil on the books.

The point I'm making is that we can have a plan in place to eat a small piece of the 36 mil penalty this year while using the space to structure free agent contracts so that we could adsorb most of it next year if we had to by releasing (or seriously restructuring) the mentioned players. Once that plan is in place, I'd team with the other penalized team(s), point out the inequity in the decision (like with the Bears) and start an all out fight with the league to get the penalty reduced. I don't see the league putting this out there and then backing off completely but there may be a reason we aren't seeing the penalty amounts on the NFL network ticker tape.

So, basically I see this as a sucky thing to happen to the Skins, but it is something that we are in a good place to absorb, something we can push out and something we can fight specifically because of the 2010 restructures during the uncapped year.
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Old 03-13-2012, 06:31 AM   #444
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Stupid penalty. I don't understand that if the league offices have to approve player contact agreements, and these contracts were breaking some rule, then why did the league approve the contracts when they were signed?
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Old 03-13-2012, 07:05 AM   #445
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Re: NFL taking away Redskins cap space

Explanation on why the Skins are being targeted


Now I don't agree with this at all because the NFL approved all these contracts but it does bring some rationalization behind the NFL decision.

Its a twitter explanation I gave to Rich Tandler so please read from the bottom up.............


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ut this will be the cornerstone of the NFL argument - that those two contracts were done differently to the others.

1m Robert Large‏@PCinOz
How is AH and DH case different to TW, Rak or Peppers based on what the NFL secretly told the team owners/GM;s?

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@PCinOz @Rich_Tandler There was no breakdown of info on what was "allowed" and what wasn't so how do the NFL have a leg to stand on anyway?

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@PCinOz @Rich_Tandler Thats why the SKins and Boys should take this to court they would win hands down

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@Rich_Tandler Thats the difference. Should it matter? No. But the NFL are quarantining that issue to hit the SKins with.

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@PCinOz In other words, they're making it up as they go along. Not the way it's supposed to operate. I know you know that, just odd.

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@Rich_Tandler Totally agree, they have found a way to seperate abuses with new or unpaid money from already paid and earned money

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@PCinOz . . . the cap hit if they want to release Peppers. Same thing, just a new contract.

9m Rich Tandler‏@Rich_Tandler
@PCinOz No, it was a brand new contract when he signed as a UFA with the Bears. Paid out big $ in 1st year to lower cap later and reduce . .

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@Rich_Tandler I;m just using the openalty number to rationalise the NFL decision, not saying that the NFL is right to exclude other abuses

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@Rich_Tandler Was any of Peppers money already earned and paid


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@PCinOz I get that. Just don't see why the Bears aren't in the same boat.

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@Rich_Tandler The diff is the NFL are focused on those two already paid & prorated option bonuses, not accelerating yet to be paid/earned

13m Robert Large‏@PCinOz
@Rich_Tandler ...but also accelerates already paid option bonuses to AH ($21m) and DH ($15m). Now what was the penalty? 21+15

14m Robert Large‏@PCinOz
@Rich_Tandler Rich Rich look at the Skins that year, renegotiated Orakpo and Williams contract to accelerate as yet unpaid future bonuses...


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he Bears signed Julius Peppers as a UFA in 2010 to a deal with a $35 million cap hit. But they escape penalty here. Why?
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Old 03-13-2012, 08:13 AM   #446
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Stupid penalty. I don't understand that if the league offices have to approve player contact agreements, and these contracts were breaking some rule, then why did the league approve the contracts when they were signed?
I think they didnt disapprove the contracts at the time because the NFLPA would be able to use the disapproved contract as ammo that the NFL owners were colluding to act as if the cap still existed, thus making very serious problems for the league going into the lockout.
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Old 03-13-2012, 08:15 AM   #447
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Stupid penalty. I don't understand that if the league offices have to approve player contact agreements, and these contracts were breaking some rule, then why did the league approve the contracts when they were signed?
Just listened to mike and mike's explanation on the salary cap penalty. It absolutely made no sense to me. They basically said the league approved the deals because the new CBA wasn't done yet, so thats why the league had to wait until now to penalize. So basically the cowboys and redskins broke the unwritten rule back in 2010 and now in 2012 with new CBA they are getting penalized.

The league still approved the contracts and IMO they didn't want to disapprove them then because it would have looked bad in CBA talks and the NFLPA would have made it an issue.



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Old 03-13-2012, 08:24 AM   #448
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We still have cap space and great cap guys. Free agency isn't done for us.
exactly, people need to back off the ledge
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[quote=PCinOz;896896]Explanation on why the Skins are being targeted


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Old 03-13-2012, 08:58 AM   #450
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Look at this bullshit. They better have so many lawyers up Goodell's ass that he'll be shitting legal terms for the next decade. This is a farce to say the least.


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