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Old 03-12-2012, 04:28 PM   #91
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If we were breaking the rules, all Goodell had to do is not approve the restructured contracts. Unless restructured contracts don't get approved by the league.
There was no "rule". Or at least based on current reporting all it was was an "agreement". And yes the proper and fair solution was to disallow the restructurings. But no they couldn't do that at the time because the "agreement" is blatant collusion. Sorta would have been bad in the middle of a labor negotiation to deny a contract and say it was based on an "agreement" (euphemism for collusion) amongst the owners.
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I don't care if there was an agreement or not. An "agreement" is a hell of a lot different than a legally binding contract or an operational set of rules. Just deciding together not to do it means nothing unless they officially enacted some type of resolution with established rules and consequences. Or at least something that officially forbade it. And why in the world wasn't the solution just to void the contracts at the time?

"Hey don't break any rules that don't really exists or else!!!! Or else, or else we'll let you do it and a whole season later we'll make up a punishment that we have no idea what it could be for now but it'll be bad! NO really don't break the non-existent rule we all agreed to but probably shouldn't ever let the players know about since it can't possibly be legal. Hey wait!! Stop breaking the 'rule'!! "
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This seems a pretty ridiculous thing for the league to do. Either the year is uncapped or it's not. To tell teams, "Yeah, it's uncapped, but don't spend too much this year just because of that, or we'll fine you for it down the road" feels a little bit like collusion to me. But this is the NFL, which does what it wants and makes up the rules as it goes along. The Cowboys and the Redskins surely know that, and the fact that they were the only two teams found to have engaged egregiously enough in this behavior to deserve a huge loss of salary-cap space indicates that they should have known better. I mean, when you're found to be dirtier than the Raiders and the Saints, you kind of have to look in the mirror and re-think the way you're doing business.
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Old 03-12-2012, 04:29 PM   #93
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Re: NFL taking away Redskins cap space

We shot ourselves in the foot folks, no sense in looking for someone else to blame.
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Old 03-12-2012, 04:30 PM   #94
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Was Haynesworth deal ever restructured?
Oh yes. We are absolutely "guilty" on this.
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Old 03-12-2012, 04:30 PM   #95
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It seems to me the Redskins and Cowboys are being unnecessarily punished here
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Old 03-12-2012, 04:31 PM   #96
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We shot ourselves in the foot folks, no sense in looking for someone else to blame.
Do explain...

Perhaps you could explain how we are to follow non-existent rules.
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Old 03-12-2012, 04:32 PM   #97
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It seems to me the Redskins and Cowboys are being unnecessarily punished here
Much better read than Florio's turd-pile of letters he passed of as a story.

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Old 03-12-2012, 04:33 PM   #98
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my question now is, what top rate FA is going to want to come here now, with this looming, and even more penalties for next season? Kind of ridiculous they dont at least shave 10-15 mil off, the two players were not going to get 0 dollars in a bonus. This seems very calculated by the league. Im not a big conspiracy theorist, but this just smells really wrong.
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Do explain...

Perhaps you could explain how we are to follow non-existent rules.
Rules or not, if the league is telling you to not do something, and you do it anyway, what do you expect?

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But this is the NFL, which does what it wants and makes up the rules as it goes along. The Cowboys and the Redskins surely know that, and the fact that they were the only two teams found to have engaged egregiously enough in this behavior to deserve a huge loss of salary-cap space indicates that they should have known better.

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It seems to me the Redskins and Cowboys are being unnecessarily punished here
This is bull shit of course always the skins! Man we have one good thing finally and we get shit on
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Rules or not, if the league is telling you to not do something, and you do it anyway, what do you expect?
I expect the league to follow actual rules. Not make shit up as they go along. It's sort of how a civilized society works.
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Again, i really want to know what the NFLPA thinks about this:

1) its taking away salary cap space from teams poised to actually spend it, and giving 1.6MM extra to teams, many of which have no intention of spending it.

2) there was no salary cap, and no CBA during 2010. Essentialy, what the skins and cowboys are being penalized for is not "colluding" with the other 30 teams to violate antitrust laws and limit player salaries when they had no authority to do so.
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I expect the league to follow actual rules. Not make shit up as they go along. It's sort of how a civilized society works.
Or to enforce the rules by not approving restructured contracts that violate their own rules (if that is the case).
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Old 03-12-2012, 04:36 PM   #104
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Again, i really want to know what the NFLPA thinks about this:

1) its taking away salary cap space from teams poised to actually spend it, and giving 1.6MM extra to teams, many of which have no intention of spending it.

2) there was no salary cap, and no CBA during 2010. Essentialy, what the skins and cowboys are being penalized for is not "colluding" with the other 30 teams to violate antitrust laws and limit player salaries when they had no authority to do so.
Well the 1.6 to the other teams makes up for it. The player pool stayed the same.
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Old 03-12-2012, 04:38 PM   #105
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The fact that they allowed the contracts at the time and warned teams "or else" screams collusion. NORMALLY the league would have simply rejected the deals. In the midst of the labor dispute that would have been bad because they would have had to offer an explanation that would have been 1000000000% put into play as possible collusion.
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