NFL taking away Redskins cap space

mlmpetert · 03-12-2012, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Thats a very good point, if true. Haynesworth would probably have gotten atleast 10 million that year, hall, maybe around 5. I definetely think that, if we're penalized, it should be based on how much the NFL thinks we should have paid out in later years as opposed to just the uncapped year.

Yeah but if we are breaking the rules then Goodell and other teams probably feel that we need to be punished too. Still seems pretty excessive.

That second round pick to the Rams stings even more now. No ability to trade down... well, unless.....

Ruhskins · 03-12-2012, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mlmpetert

Yeah but if we are breaking the rules then Goodell and other teams probably feel that we need to be punished too. Still seems pretty excessive.

That second round pick to the Rams stings even more now. No ability to trade down... well, unless.....

If we were breaking the rules, all Goodell had to do is not approve the restructured contracts. Unless restructured contracts don't get approved by the league.

redskins5044 · 03-12-2012, 04:26 PM

Was Haynesworth deal ever restructured?

donofriose · 03-12-2012, 04:28 PM

Goodell should be removed.

There was a lockout... his job is literally to keep the NFL running smoothly and he failed. Football has become a softer sport which is not way we watch it and a lot of his penalties seem to be penalties based on opinions. Wanted an 18 game season which would water down the sport, keeps trying to make it international which won't ever work. Doesn't truly care about player safety in my opinion just trying to appeal to the majority of americans. Trying to make football every night of the week which ruins the traditions... Thanksgiving isn't a night for thursday night football. Cowboys and Lions, keep with the tradition. friday: high school, saturday: college, sunday: NFL, and a single primetime monday night football game, that is all. I do not like Goodell as you can tell.

FRPLG · 03-12-2012, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruhskins

If we were breaking the rules, all Goodell had to do is not approve the restructured contracts. Unless restructured contracts don't get approved by the league.

There was no "rule". Or at least based on current reporting all it was was an "agreement". And yes the proper and fair solution was to disallow the restructurings. But no they couldn't do that at the time because the "agreement" is blatant collusion. Sorta would have been bad in the middle of a labor negotiation to deny a contract and say it was based on an "agreement" (euphemism for collusion) amongst the owners.

JoeRedskin · 03-12-2012, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

I don't care if there was an agreement or not. An "agreement" is a hell of a lot different than a legally binding contract or an operational set of rules. Just deciding together not to do it means nothing unless they officially enacted some type of resolution with established rules and consequences. Or at least something that officially forbade it. And why in the world wasn't the solution just to void the contracts at the time?

"Hey don't break any rules that don't really exists or else!!!! Or else, or else we'll let you do it and a whole season later we'll make up a punishment that we have no idea what it could be for now but it'll be bad! NO really don't break the non-existent rule we all agreed to but probably shouldn't ever let the players know about since it can't possibly be legal. Hey wait!! Stop breaking the 'rule'!! "

This.

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This seems a pretty ridiculous thing for the league to do. Either the year is uncapped or it's not. To tell teams, "Yeah, it's uncapped, but don't spend too much this year just because of that, or we'll fine you for it down the road" feels a little bit like collusion to me. But this is the NFL, which does what it wants and makes up the rules as it goes along. The Cowboys and the Redskins surely know that, and the fact that they were the only two teams found to have engaged egregiously enough in this behavior to deserve a huge loss of salary-cap space indicates that they should have known better. I mean, when you're found to be dirtier than the Raiders and the Saints, you kind of have to look in the mirror and re-think the way you're doing business.

Cowboys, Redskins punished ... but why? - NFL Nation Blog - ESPN

Mattyk · 03-12-2012, 04:29 PM

We shot ourselves in the foot folks, no sense in looking for someone else to blame.

FRPLG · 03-12-2012, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by redskins5044

Was Haynesworth deal ever restructured?

Oh yes. We are absolutely "guilty" on this.

SmootSmack · 03-12-2012, 04:30 PM

NFL Nation Blog - ESPN

It seems to me the Redskins and Cowboys are being unnecessarily punished here

FRPLG · 03-12-2012, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

We shot ourselves in the foot folks, no sense in looking for someone else to blame.

Do explain...

Perhaps you could explain how we are to follow non-existent rules.

Player_HTTR · 03-12-2012, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

NFL Nation Blog - ESPN

It seems to me the Redskins and Cowboys are being unnecessarily punished here

Much better read than Florio's turd-pile of letters he passed of as a story.

Mechanix544 · 03-12-2012, 04:33 PM

my question now is, what top rate FA is going to want to come here now, with this looming, and even more penalties for next season? Kind of ridiculous they dont at least shave 10-15 mil off, the two players were not going to get 0 dollars in a bonus. This seems very calculated by the league. Im not a big conspiracy theorist, but this just smells really wrong.

Mattyk · 03-12-2012, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

Do explain...

Perhaps you could explain how we are to follow non-existent rules.

Rules or not, if the league is telling you to not do something, and you do it anyway, what do you expect?

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But this is the NFL, which does what it wants and makes up the rules as it goes along. The Cowboys and the Redskins surely know that, and the fact that they were the only two teams found to have engaged egregiously enough in this behavior to deserve a huge loss of salary-cap space indicates that they should have known better.

Cowboys, Redskins punished ... but why? - NFL Nation Blog - ESPN

skinsfaninok · 03-12-2012, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

NFL Nation Blog - ESPN

It seems to me the Redskins and Cowboys are being unnecessarily punished here

This is bull shit of course always the skins! Man we have one good thing finally and we get shit on

FRPLG · 03-12-2012, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

Rules or not, if the league is telling you to not do something, and you do it anyway, what do you expect?

I expect the league to follow actual rules. Not make shit up as they go along. It's sort of how a civilized society works.

03-12-2012, 04:26 PM	#93
redskins5044 The Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Schertz, Tx Age: 33 Posts: 2,360	Re: NFL taking away Redskins cap space Was Haynesworth deal ever restructured?

03-12-2012, 04:28 PM	#94
donofriose Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 710	Re: NFL taking away Redskins cap space Goodell should be removed. There was a lockout... his job is literally to keep the NFL running smoothly and he failed. Football has become a softer sport which is not way we watch it and a lot of his penalties seem to be penalties based on opinions. Wanted an 18 game season which would water down the sport, keeps trying to make it international which won't ever work. Doesn't truly care about player safety in my opinion just trying to appeal to the majority of americans. Trying to make football every night of the week which ruins the traditions... Thanksgiving isn't a night for thursday night football. Cowboys and Lions, keep with the tradition. friday: high school, saturday: college, sunday: NFL, and a single primetime monday night football game, that is all. I do not like Goodell as you can tell.

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Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 72,693	Re: NFL taking away Redskins cap space We shot ourselves in the foot folks, no sense in looking for someone else to blame. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

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SmootSmack Mad Men Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 43,102	Re: NFL taking away Redskins cap space NFL Nation Blog - ESPN It seems to me the Redskins and Cowboys are being unnecessarily punished here __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

03-12-2012, 04:33 PM	#102
Mechanix544 The Starter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Fort Bliss, TX Posts: 2,044	Re: NFL taking away Redskins cap space my question now is, what top rate FA is going to want to come here now, with this looming, and even more penalties for next season? Kind of ridiculous they dont at least shave 10-15 mil off, the two players were not going to get 0 dollars in a bonus. This seems very calculated by the league. Im not a big conspiracy theorist, but this just smells really wrong. __________________ Ain't Nothin Like a Good B Western. YEEHAW

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