Cap Analysis - Chill It, Skillet

CrazyCanuck · 03-12-2012, 09:26 PM

Welcome back Schneed you are a true cap brother.

I'm not yet ready to factor in the BS cap charge, especially given the Skins' reaction.

I did an update with Sellers and Atogwe. I had Atogwe's deadcap hit at $400K on my latest sheets, but upon further review I think it is actually zero. This coincides with Rotoworld and I expect PCinOZ to have the same when he updates.

I currently have us at $39.2M cap room.

NYCskinfan82 · 03-12-2012, 09:44 PM

Good stuff thanks for talking me down of the ledge.

Schneed10 · 03-12-2012, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyCanuck

Welcome back Schneed you are a true cap brother.

I'm not yet ready to factor in the BS cap charge, especially given the Skins' reaction.

I did an update with Sellers and Atogwe. I had Atogwe's deadcap hit at $400K on my latest sheets, but upon further review I think it is actually zero. This coincides with Rotoworld and I expect PCinOZ to have the same when he updates.

I currently have us at $39.2M cap room.

Thanks. I think you're smart to leave the adjustment out of the equation, because reading the tea leaves, it's clear that the Cowboys and Redskins talked and are forming a united front against the NFL on this one. They both issued nearly identical statements at the same time. I think they'll fight this adjustment tooth and nail. I wouldn't put it past the 'Skins to approach free agency as if this isn't even happening, and count on the lawyers to make it go away later.

mlmdub130 · 03-12-2012, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

Besides, I didn't want a mass spending spree anyway. I want a big name WR and some safety help, that's about it. Otherwise, I want Allen and Shanahan to continue building talent through the draft.

Trying to transform the team with an overnight spending spree is how we've gotten into trouble in years past. I think the media overstates Shanahan's need to produce a winner in the third year of his contract, I think Snyder still has his back even if he goes 6-10 this year.

But honestly, I think winning record is more than attainable just through the addition of Robert Griffin, the rest of the draft class, a big name WR, and most importantly - HEALTH.

A spending spree just isn't wise, anyway. Philadelphia Eagles circa 2011, anyone?

could not agree more with this statment.

thanks for the op, very helpful, and i agree on 99% of your moves as well

mooby · 03-12-2012, 10:08 PM

Nice to see cooler heads prevailing on here. Great update Schneed, and thanks for clarifying everything in an easy to read manner.

alpineONE · 03-12-2012, 10:18 PM

I still feel sick

Hog1 · 03-12-2012, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Thanks. I think you're smart to leave the adjustment out of the equation, because reading the tea leaves, it's clear that the Cowboys and Redskins talked and are forming a united front against the NFL on this one. They both issued nearly identical statements at the same time. I think they'll fight this adjustment tooth and nail. I wouldn't put it past the 'Skins to approach free agency as if this isn't even happening, and count on the lawyers to make it go away later.

You and CC need to "get a room".
.....with a calculator
....and access to Excel

KI Skins Fan · 03-13-2012, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by cpayne5

They probably overnight FedEx'd it. That's how the send suspension and fine notices to players, I believe. Such crap by the league, if true; 24 hours before free agency.

If you're right about the overnight Fedex, then that would mean that the Skins and Cowboys will be notified that they have been penalized sometime on the same day that FA starts. What a mean-spirited kick in the teeth that is!

Well, Roger Goodell and the owners who pushed for these penalties have picked a fight with two men and two franchises who are formidable enough when they stand alone. Now, it looks like the Skins and the Cowboys are going to fight this together.

For one thing, I don't believe for a second that there weren't a number of deals made during the uncapped year by teams other than the four teams that were penalized that violated the so-called "gentlemen's agreement" but were conveniently overlooked. Not only is the timing of these penalties unfair but I think that the penalties may have been selectively assessed against the "worst" offenders.

Another thing that this action does is to highlight possible collusion among NFL owners. That's because the NFL is apparently trying to punish franchises that did not collude with the others. Congress might be interested in that.

If the NFL doesn't back off, I think that blood will flow before this is over.

GTripp0012 · 03-13-2012, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

Thanks. I think you're smart to leave the adjustment out of the equation, because reading the tea leaves, it's clear that the Cowboys and Redskins talked and are forming a united front against the NFL on this one. They both issued nearly identical statements at the same time. I think they'll fight this adjustment tooth and nail. I wouldn't put it past the 'Skins to approach free agency as if this isn't even happening, and count on the lawyers to make it go away later.

That and a bottom line calculation won't be necessary until 2013, since we're free to pay off as much as we want this year.

steveo395 · 03-13-2012, 12:21 AM

I just thought of something. Since you can now roll over cap space from year to year, we can literally put the entire $36 million onto next year, while we go through with a law suit or whatever we are going to do. Then, say we end up with about $15-20 million in cap space after free agency and the draft (as long as we don't go too crazy), we can roll all of that over into next year. So it will still basically be splitting the money 50-50 each year in a worst case scenario. Best case is we win the law suit and keep all the money for ourselves.

Dirtbag59 · 03-13-2012, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Hog1

You and CC need to "get a room".
.....with a calculator
....and access to Excel

Lol, don't forget Quickbooks

Seriously though you guys do great work. If I had to put together those numbers, man I think I might end up with a stroke.

Dirtbag59 · 03-13-2012, 03:19 PM

Why no Trent Williams restructure. From what I can see he's on the books for $12 million with a $1 million release fee. Thats an awful lot of base salary that could be converted into a bonus.

mooby · 03-13-2012, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Why no Trent Williams restructure. From what I can see he's on the books for $12 million with a $1 million release fee. Thats an awful lot of base salary that could be converted into a bonus.

Excellent question. They should definitely explore that option, especially with his questionable future and all.

12thMan · 03-13-2012, 03:34 PM

Schneed, on Monty's deal -- there was no signing bonus involved with his new contract, 4 years/ $12mil. So it'll be interesting to see if they restructure and now offer him some guaranteed money?

Schneed10 · 03-13-2012, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Why no Trent Williams restructure. From what I can see he's on the books for $12 million with a $1 million release fee. Thats an awful lot of base salary that could be converted into a bonus.

Terrific point, I just missed that one as I went through. Restructuring that would provide a fair amount of relief.

03-12-2012, 09:26 PM	#16
CrazyCanuck F the Shannys Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,873	Re: Cap Analysis - Chill It, Skillet Welcome back Schneed you are a true cap brother. I'm not yet ready to factor in the BS cap charge, especially given the Skins' reaction. I did an update with Sellers and Atogwe. I had Atogwe's deadcap hit at $400K on my latest sheets, but upon further review I think it is actually zero. This coincides with Rotoworld and I expect PCinOZ to have the same when he updates. I currently have us at $39.2M cap room. __________________ Skins' Salary Cap Status \| CrazyCanuck's Cap Figures by Player \| Salary Cap 101

03-12-2012, 09:44 PM	#17
NYCskinfan82 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Queens, NYC Age: 44 Posts: 3,386	Re: Cap Analysis - Chill It, Skillet Good stuff thanks for talking me down of the ledge.

03-12-2012, 10:08 PM	#20
mooby MVP Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: NoVa Age: 26 Posts: 11,810	Re: Cap Analysis - Chill It, Skillet Nice to see cooler heads prevailing on here. Great update Schneed, and thanks for clarifying everything in an easy to read manner.

03-12-2012, 10:18 PM	#21
alpineONE Camp Scrub Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 19	Re: Cap Analysis - Chill It, Skillet I still feel sick

03-13-2012, 12:21 AM	#25
steveo395 The Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,674	Re: Cap Analysis - Chill It, Skillet I just thought of something. Since you can now roll over cap space from year to year, we can literally put the entire $36 million onto next year, while we go through with a law suit or whatever we are going to do. Then, say we end up with about $15-20 million in cap space after free agency and the draft (as long as we don't go too crazy), we can roll all of that over into next year. So it will still basically be splitting the money 50-50 each year in a worst case scenario. Best case is we win the law suit and keep all the money for ourselves. __________________ Last edited by steveo395; 03-13-2012 at 12:26 AM.

03-13-2012, 03:19 PM	#27
Dirtbag59 Naega jeil jal naga Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Atlanta, Georgia From: Silver Spring, Maryland Age: 28 Posts: 14,420	Re: Cap Analysis - Chill It, Skillet Why no Trent Williams restructure. From what I can see he's on the books for $12 million with a $1 million release fee. Thats an awful lot of base salary that could be converted into a bonus. __________________ "Hey baby, wake up from your a sleep." -Zlad "I feel like Dirtbag has been slowly and methodically trolling the board for a month or so now." - FRPLG

03-13-2012, 03:34 PM	#29
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,456	Re: Cap Analysis - Chill It, Skillet Schneed, on Monty's deal -- there was no signing bonus involved with his new contract, 4 years/ $12mil. So it'll be interesting to see if they restructure and now offer him some guaranteed money?

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