Cap Analysis - Chill It, Skillet

Schneed10 · 03-13-2012, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Why no Trent Williams restructure. From what I can see he's on the books for $12 million with a $1 million release fee. Thats an awful lot of base salary that could be converted into a bonus.

Terrific point, I just missed that one as I went through. Restructuring that would provide a fair amount of relief.

Schneed10 · 03-13-2012, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

Schneed, on Monty's deal -- there was no signing bonus involved with his new contract, 4 years/ $12mil. So it'll be interesting to see if they restructure and now offer him some guaranteed money?

Exactly, it would just involve converting the non-guaranteed money due to him this year (salary or roster bonus) into a guaranteed signing bonus.

CrazyCanuck · 03-13-2012, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

Exactly, it would just involve converting the non-guaranteed money due to him this year (salary or roster bonus) into a guaranteed signing bonus.

Ya they could change the 2012 roster bonus ($2.75M) to signing bonus and push 3/4 of it to the future.

12thMan · 03-13-2012, 03:59 PM

It seems the point of a non-guaranteed bonus was to give the organization flexibility to release Monty without impacting the cap much. Now, if your theory holds true, he's probably more inclined to stick around, that, or we're not going to spend big bucks trying to upgrade at center.

FWIW, I'm fine with Monty starting at center.

12thMan · 03-13-2012, 04:01 PM

So what I can gather, at least Trent and Monty will be looking at restructuring deals. At a minimum that is.

12thMan · 03-13-2012, 05:26 PM

Adam Carriker signs at 4 yr/$20 million. $7 million guaranteed.

skinster · 03-13-2012, 09:09 PM

Garcon over 8 mil a year, Morgan over 6 mil a year, Carriker 5 mil a year, Royal probably to a similar contract to morgan. We are also trying to bring in winston and orton, and we need to sign our draft picks/RGIII. Where are we getting the cap space? I've been hearing everywhere that it's "official" that we have 18 million less this season.

Dirtbag59 · 03-13-2012, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by skinster

Garcon over 8 mil a year, Morgan over 6 mil a year, Carriker 5 mil a year, Royal probably to a similar contract to morgan. We are also trying to bring in winston and orton, and we need to sign our draft picks/RGIII. Where are we getting the cap space? I've been hearing everywhere that it's "official" that we have 18 million less this season.

Garcon is around $7 million a year. Morgan and Carriker were projected at around $2 million a year last I saw from our cap guys. We've basically spent $11 million this year.

Hog1 · 03-13-2012, 09:11 PM

Conventional math has little use here......much like credit cards..

skinster · 03-13-2012, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Garcon is around $7 million a year. Morgan and Carriker were projected at around $2 million a year last I saw from our cap guys. We've basically spent $11 million this year.

Garcon has a 5 year 42.5 mil contract. Carriker got 4 years 20 mil and nfl.com is reporting that morgan got a 2 year deal averaging over 6 mil a year. Thats over 8, 5, over 6. not 7, 2, 2.

skinster · 03-13-2012, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog1

Conventional math has little use here......much like credit cards..

Conventional math is how salary caps are done. Theres something fishy about this 18 mil getting deducted thing that hasn't been exposed.

CRedskinsRule · 03-13-2012, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by skinster

Garcon has a 5 year 42.5 mil contract. Carriker got 4 years 20 mil and nfl.com is reporting that morgan got a 2 year deal averaging over 6 mil a year. Thats over 8, 5, over 6. not 7, 2, 2.

It really depends how the contracts and bonuses are structured. I imagine alot of salary cap crunching is going on at Ashburn right now. Chances are the 7 2 2 will be how the cap hits work out.
Edit: just read the washington examiner piece on Morgan and while its 12 in the first two years the whole length is 5 years so 12/5 is 2.4 mil. Which is probably the cap hit this year (quick math not cc or shneed number crunching)

los panda · 03-13-2012, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by skinster

Garcon has a 5 year 42.5 mil contract. Carriker got 4 years 20 mil and nfl.com is reporting that morgan got a 2 year deal averaging over 6 mil a year. Thats over 8, 5, over 6. not 7, 2, 2.

contract amounts are not evenly distributed over the length of the contract

CRedskinsRule · 03-13-2012, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by skinster

Conventional math is how salary caps are done. Theres something fishy about this 18 mil getting deducted thing that hasn't been exposed.

Salary cap math is not conventional, bonuses, guarantees types of payment all get figured in and BA has shown several times he is very astute at writing contracts that minimize the salary cap implications in any given year.

Schneed10 · 03-13-2012, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by skinster

Garcon over 8 mil a year, Morgan over 6 mil a year, Carriker 5 mil a year, Royal probably to a similar contract to morgan. We are also trying to bring in winston and orton, and we need to sign our draft picks/RGIII. Where are we getting the cap space? I've been hearing everywhere that it's "official" that we have 18 million less this season.

Garcon, Morgan and Carriker have probably taken up around $11 - $12 M in space between them. That leaves another $6 M in remaining space, before the team even restructures any deals.

The restructuring could clear up to $20 M in space.

They can make the room if they want. Though a small part of me thinks they're saying "f the police" and ignoring the NFL's cap adjustment with the intent of fighting it.

They can sign Winston and some safeties and be OK. It's not a cap hell situation.

03-13-2012, 03:59 PM	#34
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,363	Re: Cap Analysis - Chill It, Skillet It seems the point of a non-guaranteed bonus was to give the organization flexibility to release Monty without impacting the cap much. Now, if your theory holds true, he's probably more inclined to stick around, that, or we're not going to spend big bucks trying to upgrade at center. FWIW, I'm fine with Monty starting at center.

03-13-2012, 04:01 PM	#35
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,363	Re: Cap Analysis - Chill It, Skillet So what I can gather, at least Trent and Monty will be looking at restructuring deals. At a minimum that is.

03-13-2012, 05:26 PM	#36
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,363	Re: Cap Analysis - Chill It, Skillet Adam Carriker signs at 4 yr/$20 million. $7 million guaranteed.

03-13-2012, 09:09 PM	#37
skinster Impact Rookie Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 754	Re: Cap Analysis - Chill It, Skillet Garcon over 8 mil a year, Morgan over 6 mil a year, Carriker 5 mil a year, Royal probably to a similar contract to morgan. We are also trying to bring in winston and orton, and we need to sign our draft picks/RGIII. Where are we getting the cap space? I've been hearing everywhere that it's "official" that we have 18 million less this season.

03-13-2012, 09:11 PM	#39
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 8,372	Re: Cap Analysis - Chill It, Skillet Conventional math has little use here......much like credit cards.. __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... Win! Always win! By fair means or foul, by soft words and hard deeds... by treachery, by cunning, by malpractice... but always win--Edward Teach

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