[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Once again you failed to read your own link.

I read it and, unlike you, understand the underlying numbers.

Originally Posted by Lotus

For example, you overlooked this bit: "Firearm deaths in Switzerland take place at just one-seventh the rate that they occur in the United States."

The Swiss (and a majority of other gun-toting countries) don't have our pervasive gang problem, where the 'children' are included in the gun crime rates.

Originally Posted by Lotus

So it's only 1/7 the death rate in Switzerland compared to the USA, rather than the 1/10 number listed by the other report for other countries. Either way, those data are clear: the United States has gun violence problem far exceeding that of other prosperous countries.

See above.

Originally Posted by Lotus

The inclusion of the 15-19 age group in the other report simply makes it complete.

Nonsense, it makes for hysteria, which is what the media and anti-freedom, anti-gun groups want

Originally Posted by Lotus

It would be poor science to leave out statistics regarding an age group simply because they are inconvenient for your belief.

Or you could be honest and recognize that this age group completely skews the data.

Originally Posted by Lotus

Besides, inclusion of the 15-19 age group does absolutely nothing to change this passage, which you continue to ignore:
"For children 5 to 14 years of age, firearm suicide rates were 8 times higher, and death rates from unintentional firearm injuries were 10 times higher in the United States than other high-income countries. The difference in rates may be related to the ease of availability of guns in the United States compared with other high-income countries."

Interestingly, breaking out the data of gun deaths of the 5-14 year olds is remarkably difficult, wich would suggest that we can probably discount the amount up to 12 year olds.

Originally Posted by Lotus

So either you are in denial or you won't admit that your view is wrong. Either way, until you argue in good faith you are pointless as a conversation partner.

Try to be honest, Lotus. Can you reasonably compare the intention that a young teen has to commit an act of violence with a handgun to that of a 5 year old?

There's no way I'd state that a 5 year old has never been harmed with a gun, I'm sure it's happened. But to make it sound like it's an epidemic is dishonest scaremongering.

The numbers are being deliberately distorted by the inclusion of gang-related gun crime. We can't have an honest discussion if the numbers are not accurately stated.