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Originally Posted by That Guy

I responded to your passive apologizing towards RGIII,

I hope moving forward people on this forum are able to discuss QB play with an objective eye.

Kirk Cousins started off 3-5 with 1 INT and 1 fumbled snap.
I am sorry if that makes you so defensive that instead of discussing it you felt the need to respond to Kirk's performance by launching into some rhetorical defensive ramble about your view of Griffin.

The 1st unit offense didn't cross the field until 6 minutes left in the 2nd qtr. Kirk's TD in the 2 minute drill came against the Ravens 2nd unit.

Kirk also took a monster hit on a blitz and threw a bad ball to Grant that was almost picked off.

That is how Kirk started the Raven's preseason game. Those are facts.

Thankfully the offense did get going after a slow start and Kirk finished the game looking sharp.

Kirk was playing with Trent Williams at LT instead of Willie Smith (now off the team) and Kirk was going against a lesser defense in the Ravens then the Lions and had the benefit of game planning which many teams do in the 3rd preseason game (and Kirk acknowledged leading into the game). Again the above are facts.

Coming up is the part I'm sure set you off.

Imo Kirk's start against the Ravens was bad, comparable if not worse then Griffin's stint vs the Lions. If you consider that whatever you called passive apologizing? (creative label I must admit) Then so be it. By I don't back down from that view. The beginning of Kirk's Ravens game was just as bad if not worse then Griffin vs the Lions.

Moving forward I hope we can talk objectively about what happens on the field. I know you have your Griffin hang-ups and have issues with his off the field drama. But you don't need to inject it everywhere all the time. Its tiresome. If you don't want to discuss Kirk's play in that game or any of the other observations that's fine too. But you don't need my post to launch off into an anti-Griffin diatribe.

Now I'm gonna on a tangent here to attempt to help you avoid some of your assumptions about my position on Griffin.

I'm gonna repeat something that I've said many times before: Kirk runs Jay's offense better then Griffin. (save this post for your reference )
I have known and have been saying that since last year. However; when it counts on 3rd downs and snaps that take longer then 2.5s the gap isn't nearly as large as people would expect considering Kirk's experience in J's style of offense:

3rd + 6

Kirk 13/26--50% comp--4.4 YPA---1 INT--0 rushing--4 sacks--2 fumbles lost--------------46.2 QB rating

Rob 18/34--53% comp--7.5 YPA---3 INT--6 rushes--6.2 YPA---9 sacks--2 fumbles lost--40.6 QB rating

They didn't have conversions made.

3rd - 6

Kirk 16/26--62% comp--6.1 YPA--2 INT-3 rushes-2.0 YPA--0 sacks---46.6 QB rating
Rob 13/19--68% comp--6.6 YPA--1 TD-5 rushes-3.0 YPA--0 sacks---104.3 QB rating

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2.6 seconds or more (via PFF):
% of throws over 2.6/Attempts.....................Comp%................ ......Sacks........................QB rating
Rob........................51%/92 atts............................53%............... .......26.............................66
Colt........................49%/54 atts............................67%............... .......15...........................106
Kirk.........................40%/78 atts...........................49%................ ........6..............................62

Now, despite the 3rd downs numbers there are skills required to be in rhythm based passing offense that Kirk is better at. I came to the conclusion last year that since Jay wasn't going to cater the offense and appeared to lack faith, desire and patience to continue grooming Griffin in his offense I thought it made more sense to trade Griffin at the end of the season/beginning of the offseason then to repeat a failed process. So again I am well aware, probably more acutely then you, of Griffin's short comings in this offense.

Cheers all the same,