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					Originally Posted by mredskins  dont by new 
 let someone else take the new car depreciation; anything under 30k just needed maybe 3 oil changes; check car fax
 
 i wouldn't get a Ford
 
 what do you want
 
 i also find they like to stick to the price on the car they are selling you and play with your trade in
 
 you will get the most wiggle room on a used car deal, new cars they make very little on, its all about volume of new cars for them
 
 do not pay MARK UPs if you want a popular car keep searching or find something different; the mark ups will put you upside down in a heart beat
 
 toyota or honda for me
 
 i like the RAV4 Hybrd or the RAV4 Prime, its pricey the prime
 
 i drive a 4Runner zero issues i have had two in my life zero issues, had a 2020 explore for i think 2 months, traded it in so fast, poop on wheels
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 I'm looking at a Lexus ES 300H.  Yeah I know buying used is smarter but fuck it, this was supposed to be my 50th birthday present for myself back in 2022 but with covid and the supply issue with cars I put it off until now.  I haven't had a car payment in 4 years so I've been saving that money.  I plan on keeping this car for the next 10 years.