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I do not think we should "pack it in". I do think that the organization needs a lesson in strategic planning. Everyone, including Snyder, Gibbs, Cerrato, Williams and Saunders need to look how successful teams in the recent past have become successful long term, then start heading in this direction. I do think if management is unwilling to do this, then we need to start over. Putting in Campbell looks to be a first step of positive change, but certainly more needs to be done without stubbornness and ego getting in the way.