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Originally Posted by FRPLG
But on this I am simply stumped. For some reason "leadership" is valued in this LEAGUE. Not just on this team but in this LEAGUE. That is not a Skinscentric thing. By no means did I mean to say we should keep him for only "leadership" abilities. It is my contention that he does an average job playing-wise. By average I mean solid enough that finding a BETTER option would not be considered 'real easy' nor 'real hard'. I also contend that beyond his playing abilities he brings intangibles that have a positive impact on the team. No one has argued against this. It may have been argued how much he truely impacts the team positively but no one has argued that he does not have these intangibles at all. Your contention that his "leadership" did nothing for this team though is false logic. You implied that it had nothing to do with the record at all. That it had zero effect on the play of this team. How have you drawn this conclusion? For all we know we were a 2 win team that was led by guys like Wynn to an extra 3 wins. Hell maybe we were an 8 win team held back by the leadership. I have no idea since I was not in the locker room but I highly doubt any amount of quality "leadership" would cause a net loss of games. To assert that our record reflects the importance of such "leadership" is to ignore the overwhelming evidence that we had other issues that were insurmountable and that they were far more likely the cause of our 5-11 season. Not his "leadership" or lack of talent. We did not lose 11 games because Wynn can't play. It is silly to argue that "leadership" has no value when it is a common trait saught by NFL teams.
"leadership" is obviously not the be all/end all but it is one trait that teams look for. Solid guys who lead by example absolutely do positively impact a team. Anyone who has ever played an organized sport has experienced this. Obviously results on the field are what matters but having guys like Wynn can lead to better results on field. If Sean Taylor sees Wynn being a professional guy and putting his all into all the little details and he says to himself "Gee, that guy isn't the most talented in the world but he has stuck around. Maybe if I stepped up and did some things like him I could be even better than I am." then Wynn has contributed to the on field product.
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I think you are misunderstanding Beems, FRPLG. As I understand it, his arguement is that "additional wins provided by Renaldo Wynn's leadership=0". I don't think he's saying that Wynn's leadership was responsible for a 5 win season.
For all of his leadership, it's likely not going to change our record any. But Wynn is a good character guy, who still does a lot of things well on the field. However, his value to this team is not a whole lot more than any old waiver wire dude we could get to replace him who may or may not provide leadership.
Does this mean we should up and replace Wynn? No, of course not! But it means that having Wynn and Daniels around does not mean our future DL situation is secure.