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Originally Posted by FRPLG
I think we'll just disagree on this. It is a subjective argument really.
But on this I am simply stumped. For some reason "leadership" is valued in this LEAGUE. Not just on this team but in this LEAGUE. That is not a Skinscentric thing. By no means did I mean to say we should keep him for only "leadership" abilities. It is my contention that he does an average job playing-wise. By average I mean solid enough that finding a BETTER option would not be considered 'real easy' nor 'real hard'. I also contend that beyond his playing abilities he brings intangibles that have a positive impact on the team. No one has argued against this. It may have been argued how much he truely impacts the team positively but no one has argued that he does not have these intangibles at all. Your contention that his "leadership" did nothing for this team though is false logic. You implied that it had nothing to do with the record at all. That it had zero effect on the play of this team. How have you drawn this conclusion? For all we know we were a 2 win team that was led by guys like Wynn to an extra 3 wins. Hell maybe we were an 8 win team held back by the leadership. I have no idea since I was not in the locker room but I highly doubt any amount of quality "leadership" would cause a net loss of games. To assert that our record reflects the importance of such "leadership" is to ignore the overwhelming evidence that we had other issues that were insurmountable and that they were far more likely the cause of our 5-11 season. Not his "leadership" or lack of talent. We did not lose 11 games because Wynn can't play. It is silly to argue that "leadership" has no value when it is a common trait saught by NFL teams.
"leadership" is obviously not the be all/end all but it is one trait that teams look for. Solid guys who lead by example absolutely do positively impact a team. Anyone who has ever played an organized sport has experienced this. Obviously results on the field are what matters but having guys like Wynn can lead to better results on field. If Sean Taylor sees Wynn being a professional guy and putting his all into all the little details and he says to himself "Gee, that guy isn't the most talented in the world but he has stuck around. Maybe if I stepped up and did some things like him I could be even better than I am." then Wynn has contributed to the on field product.
If there were clearly better talent options out there then yeah we could probably stand to lose Wynn's "leadership" in favor of some more talent at the right price. But I am no where near convinced that there is someone out there who gives this team the value for the money now that he has restructured.
Is your contention that "leadership" is simply worthless or just way over-valued? If it is just over-valued then how do you rectify that teams league wide value it?
This is just silly. We obviously have more than just this one problem. Hell I know you've argued about other problems that this team has had.
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Ok, I'm about as over it as Renaldo Wynn is in arguing this point. If you see Renaldo Wynn as a field general who inspires and leads the troops into battle while still able to make some contributions himself, fine.
I think he's done, I think HE thinks he's done and knows he wouldn't be invited to any other training camp in the league. So he gladly accepts the pay cut, thanks his lucky stars that he'll be able to squeeze one more season's worth of paychecks into his checking account, further strengthening his future retirement.
Finally, no -- my last point isn't the only thing that's holding this team back. Certainly there are many, many reasons why we can't seem to right this ship. Saturday and Sunday's action being one of the primary reasons why ... it goes on and on.