[jsarno]

Originally Posted by eskins2000

For starters...I stated that Miami has 10,000 undergraduates, which it does. 15,000 if you count graduate students. If you call that a massive school, then what do you call Ohio State with 51,000 students?

Obviously when we are dealing with football players, which is a brutal sport, we may have some who are not outstanding citizens. The fact that Miami seems to have more than other Universities can be directly attributed to the fact that they simply have that many more players in the league. When you are drawing from a larger pool, there are bound to be more "bad apples." We are dealing with absolute and relative ratios.

I know Warren Sapp has been mentioned, throw Sean Taylor in their if you want. Kellen Winslow? Ok. Ray Lewis. Sure you can have that one too. But tell me.
What about all of these current Miami players in the NFL?

Fred Capshaw, James Jackson, Edgerrin James,
Antrel Rolle, Greg Threat, Ed Reed, Kevin Everett,
Willis McGahee, Roscoe Parrish, Rashad Butler,
Damione Lewis, Dan Morgan, Devin Hester,
Alfonso Marshall, Tyler McMeans, Nick Luchey,
Nate Webster, Ken Dorsey, Leon Williams, Martin Bibla,
Kenard Lang, Chris Myers, DJ Williams, Bubba Franks,
Phillip Buchanon, Quatraine Hill, Andre Johnson,
Jarrell Weaver, Eric Winston, Tenard Davis,
Joaquin Gonzalez, Reggie Wayne, Carlos Joeseph,
Brett Romberg, Marcus Maxey, Brock Berlin, Vernon Carey,
Bryant McKinnie, Santonio Thomas, Vince Wilfork,
Thomas Carroll, Jeff Feagles, William Joeseph, Sinorice Moss,
Jeremy Shockey, Tony Tella, Darell McClover, Jonathan Vilma,
Javon Nanton, Duane Starks, Jerome McDougale, Orien Harris,
Frank Gore, Mike Rumph, Kelly Jennings, Andrew Williams,
Jarrett Payton, Joel Rodriguez, Rocky McIntosh,
Santana Moss, Clinton Portis, Greg Olsen, Jon Beason

With all the players listed above and the handful of "thugs" you're telling me that Miami produces "5% thugs" If you want to compare apples to apples we have to consider the numbers of players that each school has sent to the league. You mentioned Notre Dame and USC. When you they have sent a COMBINED 107 players to the league from 1984-2006. Miami alone has sent 84. Of course we are going to find more players when the pool that you are drawing from is so large.

Obviously you have an opinion of the Miami Football program that is set in stone. Perhaps it was the 1980's that you elude to so often. I'm not trying to change they way you view the school, just supply you with the actual facts.

Very good post.
I will point out that you are forgetting the 13 players suspended in the fight, and a slew of others. We've only mentioned the big ones here.
There is a reason miami is called THUG U. They didn't get it because of being great people off the field.
I do understand that Tenn. has surpassed them in recent years, but it doesn't take away from the fact that hey have a slew of issues.
I would wager that it would be tough to find even 2 people that graduated from Notre Dame with similar issues.

ps- The school actually has a very good friend of mine that attends, David Jones. He is doing his post graduate work there. I actually think the school is very good, I think the program has a "don't care" attitude when it comes to their recruits. He often talks to me about the problems there with the athletes. So maybe my judgement is clouded a bit, but I can't be THAT far off.