[sportscurmudgeon]

Ramsey still has the potential to be a very good QB. As of last Sunday, he has not come near that level with regard to his on-field performance. But you don't give up on him just yet. And you don't pretend that he is really wonderful but the football gods have conspired to make him look bad either.

Yes, he has only started 16 games but that does not make him a rookie. To make that arugument you are admitting that he is so dumb that he cannot learn anything when he is out of the game. Hell, a fire plug isn't that dumb! So, forget the "he's a rookie" stuff. He has been here a while; he should be further advanced. He's not. Deal with it.

Check out Byron Leftwich in Jax. He has fewer starts than Ramsey. But the Jags chose to send Brunell here and keep Leftwich. Makes you stop and think, no?

Gardner is different situation. Garnder was inconsistent and unfocused when Marty was here; he was the same when Suprrier was here; he is the same now that Gibbs is here. I see a definite trend. I believe he is a free agent after this year. Anyone for making him the "franchise player"? Remember when folks here suggested trading Gardner for another teams' high first round pick? Like that would ever have happened...