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Originally Posted by mheisig
The stats completely disprove your point about Randy Moss.
In 29 games with Oakland, Moss had 102 catches for 1,558 yards and 11 TDs.
In 45 games with San Francisco, Lloyd had 105 catches for 1,510 yards and 13 TDs.
In other words, with equally poor QBs in Oakland and San Francisco during those years, Moss's worst numbers of his career beat out Lloyd's best production of his career.
Anquan Boldin and Larry Fitzgerald having been catching passes from arguably some of the worst QBs in the NFL down in Arizona, and their worst season numbers are better than Lloyd's best. Lloyd simply does not stack up against any good #1 or even #2 WR in this league, even when you compare virtually identical situations with bad teams and bad QBs. I could see an argument for not comparing him to Marvin Harrison, but you can pick plenty of WRs in the NFL who are catching passes from QBs far worse than Brunell and/or Campbell yet still putting up numbers that shame Brandon Lloyd.
There is simply no factual, statistically supported basis for believing Lloyd is a good WR. If you want to sit here and raise vague, baseless questions about why Gibbs did what he did, and maybe it's the system and maybe it's the QB and maybe it's a bad pair of shoes or there's just someone out to get Lloyd, I suppose we could do that all day.
Anyone can sit around and raise questions. If you believe that Lloyd is a good receiver then back it up with something other than pure conjecture.
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That is where talent evaluation comes in, does a player have ability or not, you are the type who is cut and dry, if a player doesn't produce he's a bust, if he does it's because he's great, without factoring in the circumstances of his success or failure.
Your problem is you are stuck on stats, as many do, stats are easily manipulated often because of circumstances which is the whole point. he's not going to stack up because he's not being used.
But if you think you are correct with your statement on Lloyd then take it up with Gibbs and let him know that there was absolutely no reason whatsoever to trade for the guy because as you said he's a lousy WR. Of coarse that's not what we heard when we traded for him is it?