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30gut · 03-08-2008, 04:06 PM

Slingin Sammy 33 Said:

Let's discuss, the stats are all this regular season. First, 6' 1" is not small. Not a "Big receiver" but not small and both Houz & Johnson are threats on a fade, which give them the option to run the slant more effectively (reinforcing my point).

Houz - 12 Total TDs. 2 - Between 10-20, 6 - Inside 10. Of the 6 inside the 10, 4 were inside routes.
Johnson - 8 Total TDs. 1 between 10-20, 4 - Inside 10. 2 were inside routes.
Wayne - 10 Total TDs. 0 - Between 10-20, 4 Inside 10. 2 were inside routes.
Gonzalez only scored 3 TDs all year, none in the Red Zone.
Harrison - obviously injured, but his numbers are normally similar to Wayne's.
Welker - Didn't he have Randy Moss on the outside to open things up inside?
Hines Ward - Too lazy to check.

My point is that the smaller receivers aren't usually beating the D on outside routes especially in the Red Zone. And especially in the case of Welker, look what a big receiver that can run a fade does to help the smaller, quicker guys. Steve Smith begged for Keyshawn in Carolina and Key wasn't out-running anyone at that point in his career. Again to my point....Balance.
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Okay your new point:

My point is that the smaller receivers aren't usually beating the D on outside routes especially in the Red Zone.

:confused:That's why we should get Monk (great name) a 'Big' receiver. Despite his lack of speed, and injuries, and limited production (possibly due to the run first nature of the school)

Maybe its b/c fade patterns are cooler than slants patterns, Or maybe its the lasting image of Burress's fade pattern in the superbowl. I don't know. But last time i checked a touchdown via fade isn't any better than a touchdown from a slant.

If there are more good receivers under 6'1 then over 6'1 how can a 'big' receiver be a necessity?

You said:
First, 6' 1" is not small. Not a "Big receiver" but not small and both Houz & Johnson are threats on a fade, which give them the option to run the slant more effectively (reinforcing my point).

So here are some receivers regardless of size that i think would be decent draft picks:
(Maybe we should start a thread about the 'Big' receiver vs Regular receiver concept)

Andre Caldwell, Florida
Height: 6-0. Weight: 204.
Projected 40 Time: 4.36.
Combine 40 Time: 4.37.
Vertical: . Broad .
Projected Round: 2-3.

William Franklin, Missouri
Height: 6-0. Weight: 214.
Projected 40 Time: 4.40.
Combine 40 Time: 4.37.
Vertical: 34.5. Broad .
Projected Round: 3-4.

Jerome Simpson, Coastal Carolina
Height: 6-1. Weight: 190.
Projected 40 Time: 4.46.
Combine 40 Time: 4.37.
Vertical: 37.5. Broad 11-4.
Projected Round: 4.

Dexter Jackson, Appalachian State (Smaller receiver but fast as hell)
YouTube - #2 WR Dexter Jackson Catches
Height: 5-9. Weight: 185. Projected 40 Time: 4.33.
Combine 40 Time: 4.37.
Vertical: . Broad .
Projected Round: 4-5.

*A Local kid*
Arman Shields, Richmond
Height: 6-0. Weight: 194.
Projected 40 Time: 4.44.
Combine 40 Time: 4.44.
Vertical: 37.5. Broad 10.8.
Projected Round: 7.

03-08-2008, 04:06 PM	#97
30gut Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 3,323	Re: The Official draft Marcus Monk thread. Slingin Sammy 33 Said: Let's discuss, the stats are all this regular season. First, 6' 1" is not small. Not a "Big receiver" but not small and both Houz & Johnson are threats on a fade, which give them the option to run the slant more effectively (reinforcing my point). Houz - 12 Total TDs. 2 - Between 10-20, 6 - Inside 10. Of the 6 inside the 10, 4 were inside routes. Johnson - 8 Total TDs. 1 between 10-20, 4 - Inside 10. 2 were inside routes. Wayne - 10 Total TDs. 0 - Between 10-20, 4 Inside 10. 2 were inside routes. Gonzalez only scored 3 TDs all year, none in the Red Zone. Harrison - obviously injured, but his numbers are normally similar to Wayne's. Welker - Didn't he have Randy Moss on the outside to open things up inside? Hines Ward - Too lazy to check. My point is that the smaller receivers aren't usually beating the D on outside routes especially in the Red Zone. And especially in the case of Welker, look what a big receiver that can run a fade does to help the smaller, quicker guys. Steve Smith begged for Keyshawn in Carolina and Key wasn't out-running anyone at that point in his career. Again to my point....Balance. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Okay your new point: My point is that the smaller receivers aren't usually beating the D on outside routes especially in the Red Zone. :confused:That's why we should get Monk (great name) a 'Big' receiver. Despite his lack of speed, and injuries, and limited production (possibly due to the run first nature of the school) Maybe its b/c fade patterns are cooler than slants patterns, Or maybe its the lasting image of Burress's fade pattern in the superbowl. I don't know. But last time i checked a touchdown via fade isn't any better than a touchdown from a slant. If there are more good receivers under 6'1 then over 6'1 how can a 'big' receiver be a necessity? You said: First, 6' 1" is not small. Not a "Big receiver" but not small and both Houz & Johnson are threats on a fade, which give them the option to run the slant more effectively (reinforcing my point). So here are some receivers regardless of size that i think would be decent draft picks: (Maybe we should start a thread about the 'Big' receiver vs Regular receiver concept) Andre Caldwell, Florida Height: 6-0. Weight: 204. Projected 40 Time: 4.36. Combine 40 Time: 4.37. Vertical: . Broad . Projected Round: 2-3. William Franklin, Missouri Height: 6-0. Weight: 214. Projected 40 Time: 4.40. Combine 40 Time: 4.37. Vertical: 34.5. Broad . Projected Round: 3-4. Jerome Simpson, Coastal Carolina Height: 6-1. Weight: 190. Projected 40 Time: 4.46. Combine 40 Time: 4.37. Vertical: 37.5. Broad 11-4. Projected Round: 4. Dexter Jackson, Appalachian State (Smaller receiver but fast as hell) YouTube - #2 WR Dexter Jackson Catches Height: 5-9. Weight: 185. Projected 40 Time: 4.33. Combine 40 Time: 4.37. Vertical: . Broad . Projected Round: 4-5. A Local kid Arman Shields, Richmond Height: 6-0. Weight: 194. Projected 40 Time: 4.44. Combine 40 Time: 4.44. Vertical: 37.5. Broad 10.8. Projected Round: 7.