[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

That's fine. You and your children can go die for someone else's freedom. Those same people that you saved will spit in your face after you've given them everything. If sticking your nose in everyone else's business is what you call conservative then I can understand why we had jerks like the Bushes and McCain run the GOP.

as saden mentioned, when it's in the nation's interest we need to act. I'd rather stop a potential aggressor thousands of miles away than at any of our borders. If we can save millions of lives in the process than I'd say that's a plus. I served in the military and was stationed in Japan so I was prepared to die "for someone else's freedom", if necessary. My son is looking into going into the USAF and God forbid he dies serving his country. If that happens I'll be devastated but proud of what he stood for, even if I disagree with a decision of the Commander in Chief or Congress (be they D or R). If you chose to sit any conflicts out, that's your choice, we have an all-volunteer military.

NATO is BS. As members of NATO you have to come to the aid of a nation that is attacked. That token army they threw up isn't squat and everyone knows it. Bush tried to get more troops, eff you. Obama thought he'd get more troops because he wasn't "a go it alone guy like Bush". They just told Obama to eff himself too. If we're not at war in Afghanistan then why is our army there, tea, opium? Lie to me, tell me something.

We are at war IN Afghanistan against terrorist factions, not at war WITH Afghanistan. If we were attacked by a hostile COUNTRY the countries of NATO would be obiligated to assist as if they were attacked.

Going into the eastern bloc is a big mistake. If you think Russia will allow Georgia and the Ukraine to become members of NATO without a fight you've got another thing coming. The best thing to do is let the Commies be and not rub their noses in s**t. We might need the Russians in the future.

Alger Hiss had the same advice for FDR at Yalta. The Polish people suffered under the Soviet bloc for 50 years thanks to that mentality. If people like you had won the foreign policy debate in WWII or the Cold War we would've had to fight a two front war....alone against Japan and Germany or we would still be in the Cold (or possibly full-scale) War with the USSR and who knows what side China would be on (probably not the side of Democracy). Oh and tens of millions more would've died, but they would've spit in our faces anyway.

We didn't bring down the Soviets. Their own ignorant marxist economist brought them down. Just like the ignorant marxist in our government are bringing us down.

Reagan pushed several key buttons to hurt the Soviets at every turn (Poland, Afghanistan, etc.). He forced the Soviets to divert too many resources towards a military build-up. This coupled with some help from the Saudis manipulating the oil market and Europe shutting down a pipeline of natural gas crushed the Soviet economy.

I agree we have some serious issues to address in the country, but is anyone doing anything right in our country according to you?