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Originally Posted by Gmanc711

Hey, like I said, I am in favor of Gruden. I'm no big Mike Shannahan fan or anything, but I just dont see where this whole Elway was the only reason he was any good idea came from. Did he win a Super Bowl with anyone else? No, he didnt. Did Holmegren win a Super Bowl without Favre? Did Walsh win one without Montana? Lombardi without Bart Starr? (We can go on and on) I mean I am just saying he's a good coach. John Elway didn't make Mike Shannahan.

And what about 2007 for Shannahan?

Ok, what about 93,94,95,96,97,98, 01,02,03,04,06 and 2009 for the Redskins? I'll take what Mike Shannahan did without John Elway over our record the last 15 years anyday.

All I'm saying is he's a good football coach. Did Elway help, absolutley. Does Shannahan win a Super Bowl without Elway, maybe not... but he still coached a Broncos team year in and year out that was in the thick of the playoff race or in the playoffs.

I want to win a Super Bowl yes, thats all I really want and waht the goal should be..but we have to have a good regular season to have the right to play in January and that guy did it consistantly. Theres no arguing that.

Ok, All i meant is in your showing the w/l record, i didn't see 2007, and i wondered what that was. But I agree 100%. Gibbs only won 3 SB, but what mattered is every year, almost, the Redskins were relevant and feared. I would like to get back to that.