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Originally Posted by jsarno
In 08, Andre Johnson was targeted 170 times, and had 8 tds. How would that make him the best wr in football in your eyes considering he had 115 catches?
Last year Johnson was targeted 171 times (17 MORE times than Marshall) but had the exact same amount of catches...101. Johnson had an average of 59.06% receptions per target. Marshall's average was 65.58%. Also, Johnson had 9 tds last year and Marshall had 10. So again, sorry to say, you are wrong.
It is widely known that Andre Johnson is the best WR in the game, and that's not just fans opinion, that's NFL personel opinion. Yet Johnson only averages 13.5 yards per reception, and he's never had a 10 td season. In fact, he has 42 tds in 102 career starts. That's a TD every 2.43 starts, while Marshall has 25 tds in 45 career starts and that's an average of a TD every 1.8 starts.
Obviously the stats you use to rank WR's are not correct. I seriously doubt someone that is "middle of the pack" like you suggest gets a 5 year 50 million contract as well. That just doesn't add up.
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You're difficult to argue with because you attack a bunch of different evidences provided for my point with no actual semblance of a counter argument. You also started out with a bunch of incorrect premises (including, but not limited to, a "knowledge" of the Broncos offense you proved not to have).
You have one common strategy: discredit what I am saying because I don't agree with you. Problem is, I don't even think you comprehend what I am saying. Either that, or you know I am right, and want to be argumentative anyway. Wouldn't be the first time.
Marshall's catch rate WAS a lot higher last year. This, of course, was a product of his role. Or at least about half of it was. Marshall did have, by his standards, a pretty nice year last year. Johnson I think was down a little from his career expectation (but still dominant -- and above Marshall). Marshall, for the first time in his career, was more efficient at turning targets into touchdowns. The difference, ironically, is almost exclusively a product of the Redskins blowing multiple coverages giving him two of his three "long" TDs of the season. Marshall usually isn't that open downfield, I can assure you (not to disparage the quality of those routes, but the Redskins blew a lot of long coverages last year...they simply weren't good back there).
Anyway, those are the facts of the situation. And we already pointed out above that when receivers are getting 150-175 targets in a year, the difference between 12.3 yards per catch and 13.5 yards per catch is A LOT. Over 16 games, it's close to a win. If you say Johnson is the best, and we can agree that there's almost a win difference per year between them in their current roles, I can agree to that. That seems in line with the available evidence.
And I can easily name 20 current receivers more valuable than Marshall. Johnson, and many others, would be on that list.
I think you overrate Andre Johnson a little bit, he's probably not the very best receiver in football, but he's certainly in the discussion and is probably one of the most difficult matchups in all of sports. And he's proven that on the field.