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Originally Posted by 30gut
Going along with your premise...
This is a great question, but imo its a question that leads to other questions to answer adequately.
The HC should choose the QB especially when the HC is Mike Shanahan.
The bottom line for me is that the HC always has final say on personnel decisions.
A second and at least equal voice when it comes specifically to the QB position needs to be the OC.
The OC is ultimately the person in charge of the offense and the person that's gonna work the closet with the QB so its imperative that the OC be on board w/ the decision.
Then you have to consider the experience/respective track records with QBs and eye for talent at the QB position.
Imo there should be no question about who is the superior talent in this regard.
I believe that Mike S. could have coached the exact same personnel we had on offense last year and the results would have been better. And I believe that Mike can guide Kyle through the process of becoming not only a top OC but a potential HC candidate. But I digress.
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I'm not sure if I agree with all your premises. (mainly about how long and how big a factor the respective coaches tenures are to the decision making process)
I'm not privvy to the same information you are but I doubt the situation is as simple as Kyle likes QB X and Mike likes QB Y.
I think the dichomoty of the thought process behind who likes which QB must be much deeper then that.
But, back to the decision making process.
At the end of the day QB evaluation is pretty much universal, meaning that
if Kyle and Mike are grading out the QBs there rankings will be close.
One may like QB X a little more then QB Y but it wouldn't mean they dislike the other QB prospect.
The question for me boils down to value rather then who like which QB more.
Imo the difference and benefit between the way Kyle runs the offense vs Mike is that Mike's requires or excells under the direction of a QB w/ elite physical talent (i.e. velocity/mobility) where Kyle's offense does not require elite arm talent or mobility.
In most cases a good QB albeit less physically gifted can be found outside the 1st 2 rounds; which is a good thing because it reduces the resources that need to spent on the QB position.
But in this draft it appears that the cost for all QBs has been inflated by the demand to the point where the cost for a physically gifted QB may only be marginally more expensive then the cost of a QB w/ average physical skills.
If Locker and Dalton are closely rated by the passing game staff then the question comes down to how much they like to gamble:
the certainty of a Locker a scheme diverse but raw QB with elite physical gifts QB they like at 10 vs an extra pick+ the highly likely possibility of scheme specific, more polished but less physically gifted QB the like in a trade down scenario (Dalton/Ponder) but a significantly reduced likelihood of Locker and also the possibility a wildcard QB like Mallett a more elite arm talent, polished QB that's more scheme diverse then the Dalton/Ponder.
My question is if they Dalton and maybe Ponder shouldn't they also like Ricky Stanzi?
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With that huge gap in your post, I hadn't even realized you wrote more.
It's certainly not as simple as one guy likes player X, and another likes player Y. But, for the purposes of this thread I made it such.
Who the QBs are that are being discussed really doesn't matter. I could have said Kyle Shanahan wants Drew Carey to be QB, and Mike wants Drew Brees. I would think most of us would say Drew Brees would be the better option. The question is who should be the one to pick which QB he wants?