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Originally Posted by SBXVII
The question is: do you think RGIII is better then those QB's right now?
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Originally Posted by 30gut
Do I think Griffin is currently a better NFL QB? No.
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Originally Posted by SBXVII
Why would a team trade away a franchise QB for RGIII if they already have one? they wouldn't, unless they are not franchise QB's.
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This is circular logic that I don't follow.
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So I'm "assuming" your thinking the Rams will not trade Bradford, the Vikes wouldn't see RGIII as an upgrade over Ponder, the Bucks wouldn't see RGIII as an upgrade over Freeman, and the Browns wouldn't see RGIII as an upgrade over McCoy. Right?
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I get the distinct feeling that in your haste to disagree with me that you aren't even reading my posts.
You have one part of your assumption correct in that I don't think the Rams,Vikes or Bucs will draft RGIII.
Whether or not they view RGIII as an upgrade isn't the question.
For one upgrade is a needlessly ambiguous term.
Teams judge QBs as prospects with grades and by tiers.
Lets say that all tier 1 QBs have franchise potential.
But even within that tier of potential franchise QBs there will be grades.
Imo a team doesn't replace a tier 1 franchise potential QB with another tier 1 potential franchise QB even if Griffin is an upgrade in terms of 'grade' as a prospect.
But I don't understand why you need to make assumptions anyway when I've stated my point very clearly and I'll restate it again here:
Imo a team that has a potential franchise QB doesn't draft another potential franchise QB just because of preference.
If those teams drafted another QB (Griffin) it means their entire organization is making a major paradigm shift in the direction of the entire team.
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thats essentially what your saying... those other QB's are franchise QB's and their respective teams will want them and RGIII will fall to the Redskins at #6
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Close but your missing a major distinction: i'm not making the claim that those QBs are franchise (QBs except for Freeman) only that they have the
potential to be; which is the same potential that Griffin may possess.
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and all I'm saying is it aint happening.[Griff falling to #6] I think several fans here see RGIII as an upgrade over Bradford to include me, an upgrade over Ponder, an upgrade over Freeman easily, an upgrade over McCoy. So I'd be shocked if RGIII simply fell to #6.
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Unless you can predict the future, you meant to say you
think its not gonna happen and it might not happen.
And to be clear my statement was this:
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Originally Posted by 30gut
Call me crazy but I think the chances of Griff being available at 6 are reasonable..........I recall last year when everyone swore the Bills, Bengals, Cards and 49ers would take a QB in the1st and none did.
That's why I think there's a good chance Griff falls to us at 6.
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Do I think those other QB's can be franchise QB's? probably if they are in the right scheme and their talents used properly along with a few yrs of developement. But in this day and age of instant gratification I see no way the 4 teams above us simply say "no, were happy with what we got and can wait for our QB to become a franchise QB if they ever do."
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But why would Griffin be any different?
Griffin may become a franchise QB if he's in the right scheme and his talents are used properly along with a few years of development just as the other QBs may, in fact those QB have a year or more of development headstart on him.
I get that you like Griffin, I like Griffin too as I've said repeatedly I think he's the best QB prospect in this draft but it doesn't make him any more of lock to become a franchise QB then Bradford, Ponder, McCoy and especially Freeman who imo is already the Buc's franchise QB.