good news and bad news for Oakland

[Rainy Parade]

hey guys (and gals if you're out there...)

as some of you know, i write an NFL column for realfootball365.com. i mostly cover the Redskins and the Raiders (one out of interest, the other as assigned by the site), but i also do various league-wide stuff like my weekly "picks" column during the season.

anyway, for this week's Raiders column i thought we could give them some real insight on Jason Campbell. the talking head experts can give them the basics "he has a big arm, played under a zillion different systems/coordinators, had dysfunction in Washington, had a bad offensive line," etc....

but i thought if everyone wanted to chime in with a "good news bad news" sentence or so, i'd cull the best (or simply the ones i choose to use) and offer their fans a real portrait of Jason by the real redskins fans who actually watch all the games.

i'd prefer that it doesn't become an overly negative "campbell sucks" kinda thread, that's why i've framed as "good news bad news" so you can give one positive and one drawback. can be simple/obvious or complex and insightful.

mine might be "the good news is Jason Campbell has very similar rating and W-L record as Jay Cutler who's an alleged franchise QB and the bears gave up a LOT more for him. The bad news is Campbell has a similar rating and W-L as Jay Cutler."

or

The good news is Campbell is tough as nails and is a real pro's pro who never complains and just goes about his business. The bad news is his quiet demeanor leads some to speculate that he doesn't have the "IT" factor people like to see for leadership from the QB position.

anyway, have at it. post them all here...
if you dont want me to use/publish your comments then either specify that or dont post here. also, let me know if you'd like to be anonymous, identified by WP screen name, or perhaps your real name. (if you want to use your real name but dont list it here, just put "PM me for real name" after your post and i'll do so if i use your comment.)

hope to have some fun with this, and also might be a nice way to put a bow on the J-Soup era. if you're tired of discussing JC and think it's a dead horse, feel free to check out all the other threads.

thanks in advance!!

[hooskins]

Campbell is consistently inconsistent. He has great potential and at times he looks amazing, and at other times he looks completely rattled and misses wide open receivers.

Put a good bunch of players around him and Campbell can win, but I dont see him winning games by himself for a mediocre team.

[johno]

The good news is that Jason Campbell isn't going to lose you many footballs games. The bad news is that he won't win you very many either. If nothing else, the guy is a class act all the way.

[Ruhskins]

First of all, be prepared to hear from some fans who believe that JC is worst than JaMarcus Russell, an old Jake Delhomme, and this past season's Derek Anderson combined times infinity. That being said, I will try to give you a fair assessment from what I know.

Negatives:
- Campbell tends to hold on the ball too long
- Has problem reading some defenses
- Will throw a costly INT or fumble the ball at key situations
- Accuracy issues when throwing the deep ball
- Once again he will be learning a new offensive system
- May or may not have been shellshocked here in DC
- Can be too quiet at times

Positives
- Great character
- Tough as nails
- May have been in the wrong system here in DC
- Had his best statistical season last year with bad players around him
- Can make plays with his feet, pretty athletic
- Has a strong arm
- A good offensive line that he can trust may fix some of the problems mentioned above
- Oakland actually wants him there*

*I was listening to Mike & Mike, and I thought Greenberg had a point regarding Campbell. He thought JC was never in a good situation here in DC. He seemingly fell to the Redskins when they picked, I've heard rumors that the Skins wanted Rodgers and they settled for JC. Gibbs never wanted to develop a young QB, he had a preference of working with older veterans, and maybe he had a win-now attitude with all the pressures of being a Redskins coach (hence why he didn't bother with Ramsey). Also, once JC didn't immediately pan out, Snyder wanted a new QB. I just hope the team does a better job in the future with QBs; because I feel that starting with Ramsey, we didn't do a good job at either picking QBs or developing them.

[Rainy Parade]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

- Oakland actually wants him there*

*I was listening to Mike & Mike, and I thought Greenberg had a point regarding Campbell. He thought JC was never in a good situation here in DC. He seemingly fell to the Redskins when they picked, I've heard rumors that the Skins wanted Rodgers and they settled for JC. Gibbs never wanted to develop a young QB, he had a preference of working with older veterans, and maybe he had a win-now attitude with all the pressures of being a Redskins coach (hence why he didn't bother with Ramsey). Also, once JC didn't immediately pan out, Snyder wanted a new QB. I just hope the team does a better job in the future with QBs; because I feel that starting with Ramsey, we didn't do a good job at either picking QBs or developing them.

interesting. but didn't we spend a fairly big price to move up to grab JC?

and does oakland really want him there, or is it just a solid move to give up a future 4th rounder to please the fanbase by looking like you made a big move to bring in a new starter? i dont know.

anyway, everyone else can carry on, just wanted to jump in with Ruhskins on that side note.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

First of all, be prepared to hear from some fans who believe that JC is worst than JaMarcus Russell, an old Jake Delhomme, and this past season's Derek Anderson combined times infinity. That being said, I will try to give you a fair assessment from what I know.

Negatives:
- Campbell tends to hold on the ball too long
- Has problem reading some defenses
- Will throw a costly INT or fumble the ball at key situations
- Accuracy issues when throwing the deep ball
- Once again he will be learning a new offensive system
- May or may not have been shellshocked here in DC
- Can be too quiet at times

Positives
- Great character
- Tough as nails
- May have been in the wrong system here in DC
- Had his best statistical season last year with bad players around him
- Can make plays with his feet, pretty athletic
- Has a strong arm
- A good offensive line that he can trust may fix some of the problems mentioned above
- Oakland actually wants him there*

*I was listening to Mike & Mike, and I thought Greenberg had a point regarding Campbell. He thought JC was never in a good situation here in DC. He seemingly fell to the Redskins when they picked, I've heard rumors that the Skins wanted Rodgers and they settled for JC. Gibbs never wanted to develop a young QB, he had a preference of working with older veterans, and maybe he had a win-now attitude with all the pressures of being a Redskins coach (hence why he didn't bother with Ramsey). Also, once JC didn't immediately pan out, Snyder wanted a new QB. I just hope the team does a better job in the future with QBs; because I feel that starting with Ramsey, we didn't do a good job at either picking QBs or developing them.

Gibbes trade up just to get JC so that does not make one bit of sense. JC had plenty of good situations here over the years its just that he is what he is a very average QB. For the record I would not quote Greenberg as a source for football knowledge.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

*I was listening to Mike & Mike, and I thought Greenberg had a point regarding Campbell. He thought JC was never in a good situation here in DC. He seemingly fell to the Redskins when they picked, I've heard rumors that the Skins wanted Rodgers and they settled for JC. Gibbs never wanted to develop a young QB, he had a preference of working with older veterans, and maybe he had a win-now attitude with all the pressures of being a Redskins coach (hence why he didn't bother with Ramsey). Also, once JC didn't immediately pan out, Snyder wanted a new QB. I just hope the team does a better job in the future with QBs; because I feel that starting with Ramsey, we didn't do a good job at either picking QBs or developing them.

They said all this on Mike and Mike today?

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

They said all this on Mike and Mike today?

It wasn't today, I think it was last week. I downloaded the podcast. Both Mikes were talking about that JC may or may not be a starting QB in the league, but they felt they had not seen JC in a situation where he was allowed to proof that. I don't know if I'd go this far though, but I do feel that he needed to go elsewhere to get a 2nd chance.

Originally Posted by Rajmahal33

Good News: No one knows if Campbell is a bad QB
Bad News: No one knows if Campbell is a good QB

Rajmahal, your quote is similar to what the Mikes concluded. That they felt no one knows whether JC is a good or bad QB. The said the same of Brady Quinn.

I think folks here make a good point, Gibbs did trade up to get JC, so there must have been something about him that they like. But, I do also believe that Gibbs wasn't into developing a young QB. So it is curious to see where did that decision to get Campbell came from.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

It wasn't today, I think it was last week. I downloaded the podcast. Both Mikes were talking about that JC may or may not be a starting QB in the league, but they felt they had not seen JC in a situation where he was allowed to proof that.

Did they say that stuff about Rodgers and Snyder though?

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Did they say that stuff about Rodgers and Snyder though?

No, the Rodgers thing was more of my speculation from rumors that I don't remember now where I heard them from. Although I believe they said something along the lines of Campbell falling to the Redskins.

[Kalisto2010]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

They said all this on Mike and Mike today?

Mike and Mike are complete jokes. I'll never forget the day I stopped listening to them. They actually had the audacity to say that Thurman Thomas wasn't a first ballot hall of famer.

[53Fan]

The good news is he can throw a mile. The bad news is he's rarely had time to.

[jdlea]

Jason's passing stats have improved every season since he became a starter, that's saying something considering what he's had to deal with in Washington. At this point, he's about an average starter and you can do better, but you can also do a whole hell of a lot worse that Jason Campbell.

[SBXVII]

Ruhskins, not to change the topic but the same could be said about the people J.Campbell had to throw to...the WR's. I'm refering to picking and developing.

[MTK]

Good news: He's not JaMarcus Russell.

Bad news: He's only Jason Campbell.