Will Our crappy O-Line kill cooleys production?

jamf · 05-19-2006, 04:17 AM

We have some talent on the line but they dont play like it. God I hate the left side...

My question is:
With 3 WR's, CP in the backfield and Cooley at TE, Is saunders going to keep cooley on the line to help block?
Portis is a great blocker but I think its safe to say that we would rather have the ball in his hands than cooleys.

I'm worried that Cooleys production will mostly come from 2nd and short plays.
Ideally, I would love to see cooley go down field taking a safety with him leaving the middle open for our WR's or vice versa, have our WR's take the safety deep and leave cooley over the middle being covered by a linebacker but I dont see our O-Line giving brunell enough time.

man its late, im going to sleep

Redskins8588 · 05-19-2006, 05:58 AM

I really dont think that our line is all that bad, and no I dont think that Cooley will suffer from keeping him to block. I think that Cooley will still get his TD's and what not. Remember defenses will not be able to play us like they did in the past by stacking the box to stop Portis. If defenses played us like that then maybe we would need Cooley to block more, but being that we have other WR threats than just Moss I highly doubt they will stack the box and if they do we have enough offensive power to make them regret in doing so...

dmek25 · 05-19-2006, 06:22 AM

i think this will be a big year for our line.might be one of the stronger suits of our team

RedskinsNo.1 · 05-19-2006, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Redskins8588

I really dont think that our line is all that bad, and no I dont think that Cooley will suffer from keeping him to block. I think that Cooley will still get his TD's and what not. Remember defenses will not be able to play us like they did in the past by stacking the box to stop Portis. If defenses played us like that then maybe we would need Cooley to block more, but being that we have other WR threats than just Moss I highly doubt they will stack the box and if they do we have enough offensive power to make them regret in doing so...

i couldn't agree more, opposing teams will not be able to put 8 in the box for fear of us burning them on a pass play

Schneed10 · 05-19-2006, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Redskins8588

I really dont think that our line is all that bad, and no I dont think that Cooley will suffer from keeping him to block. I think that Cooley will still get his TD's and what not. Remember defenses will not be able to play us like they did in the past by stacking the box to stop Portis. If defenses played us like that then maybe we would need Cooley to block more, but being that we have other WR threats than just Moss I highly doubt they will stack the box and if they do we have enough offensive power to make them regret in doing so...

I'll go one step further and say that suggesting that our line is crappy is downright crazy and makes no sense. First off, if we need a tight end to do some blocking for us, then Fauria will come in the game. Cooley will be expected to block about as often as Tony Gonzalez was expected to block.

Samuels is slightly overrated, but he's still a very good left tackle. He blocks all above average DEs in the game, the only guys he has trouble with are the superstars like Simeon Rice. Dockery is not a pass protection liability, he's so big that not too many DTs can get by him. The knock on Dockery in the past was always his discipline - too many penalties. But he curtailed that stuff last year, he was much better. He could still stand to improve his technique to harness all his power in run blocking, but overall he's solid. Rabach is unspectacular but solid, he's quick enough to get to the LB level of the defense, and he makes all the right calls on the line. Randy Thomas is a friggin beast, one of the best RGs in the game, big, athletic, and disciplined. Jansen is rock-solid, he struggles with guys like Strahan, but he can be relied on consistently.

Someone's going to have to convince me in what way our line is a weakness. That doesn't make any sense to me.

Kope · 05-19-2006, 07:45 AM

A line that produces a 1500 yard back, a 3000 yard passer and pushes the team into the playoffs in November and December is hardly what I would call crappy. Oh...and all of them are returning for the third straight year.

GoSkins! · 05-19-2006, 07:50 AM

I think that it may be correct to say that our line has underacheived in the past, but I think that it is crazy to say that our starting line is any kind of liability. I expect them to be strong again heading down the stretch.

724Skinsfan · 05-19-2006, 07:59 AM

Schneed had it right, Fauria was brought in for his excellent blocking ability.

Hog1 · 05-19-2006, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Kope

A line that produces a 1500 yard back, a 3000 yard passer and pushes the team into the playoffs in November and December is hardly what I would call crappy. Oh...and all of them are returning for the third straight year.

TRUE, can't deny it. Like Schneed pointed out, Samuels may be somewhat overrated, but basically had a good year. Dockery is coming along nicely, if a little bit slow. While not the HOGS, they are solid. With the new recieving core, it should only help them!

FRPLG · 05-19-2006, 08:16 AM

Calling our line crappy shows ignorance. Get some perspective and watch a team with a line that IS ACTUALLY bad. You'll see what a crappy line looks like. Is our line at "Hogs" level? Maybe not but it is in the top 10 in the league.

EEich · 05-19-2006, 08:21 AM

I agree... our line is just fine... it struggled at times due to injuries to Jansen and Thomas. If healthy, it has the potential to be a top five OL.

MTK · 05-19-2006, 08:22 AM

Someone on the boards was complaining about the line all last year around this time, I forget who it was now though.

Anyway, to suggest the line is crappy is pretty ridiculous. Didn't Samuels make the Pro Bowl last year?? Just checking. And Dock easily had his most solid season. I really don't see any logical reason to fret over the starters on the offensive line.

Samuels is one of the better LT's in the game, and Dock is a solid starter who is still coming into his own. Thomas and Jansen are both gamers who deserve more credit than they receive, and Rabach solidified the middle of the line last year.

#56fanatic · 05-19-2006, 08:35 AM

lets look at a couple of things : Samuels made the pro-bowl. Thomas was definately on his way to the probowl before breaking his leg and Jansen should have gone to the probowl, playing with two broken thumbs, and only receiving 3 penaltys all year and only 1 of those might have been holding. He was a beast last year and blew up who ever was in front of him. Rabach is a quality center and Dockery is a pretty good run blocker and is only into his 4th year. His pass blocking will improve with Buges teaching him. To say our line is crappy, is way..way..way..way.. out of line.

12thMan · 05-19-2006, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by #56fanatic

is way..way..way..way.. out of line.

no pun intended

scowan · 05-19-2006, 09:23 AM

Guys, we have a great O-line. The only problem is that we have only 5 guys that are great. We need to fine probably two more OL guys who can play one or more positions and then we will be truly great. We just saw what happens down the streach when we lose a starter last year. We really saw what happen when we lose other skill guys as well. I really think that if we would have had Patten and Randy Thomas in the Seattle playoff game, the results would have been different. It is tough when you have serious injuries.

05-19-2006, 04:17 AM	#1
jamf Pro Bowl Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: San Diego Ca Posts: 5,331	Will Our crappy O-Line kill cooleys production? We have some talent on the line but they dont play like it. God I hate the left side... My question is: With 3 WR's, CP in the backfield and Cooley at TE, Is saunders going to keep cooley on the line to help block? Portis is a great blocker but I think its safe to say that we would rather have the ball in his hands than cooleys. I'm worried that Cooleys production will mostly come from 2nd and short plays. Ideally, I would love to see cooley go down field taking a safety with him leaving the middle open for our WR's or vice versa, have our WR's take the safety deep and leave cooley over the middle being covered by a linebacker but I dont see our O-Line giving brunell enough time. man its late, im going to sleep

05-19-2006, 05:58 AM	#2
Redskins8588 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ridgway, PA Age: 46 Posts: 2,519	Re: Will Our crappy O-Line kill cooleys production? I really dont think that our line is all that bad, and no I dont think that Cooley will suffer from keeping him to block. I think that Cooley will still get his TD's and what not. Remember defenses will not be able to play us like they did in the past by stacking the box to stop Portis. If defenses played us like that then maybe we would need Cooley to block more, but being that we have other WR threats than just Moss I highly doubt they will stack the box and if they do we have enough offensive power to make them regret in doing so... __________________ "I am the best at what I do, and what I do isn't very nice" - Sean Taylor

05-19-2006, 06:22 AM	#3
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	Re: Will Our crappy O-Line kill cooleys production? i think this will be a big year for our line.might be one of the stronger suits of our team __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

05-19-2006, 07:45 AM	#6
Kope Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: NC Posts: 447	Re: Will Our crappy O-Line kill cooleys production? A line that produces a 1500 yard back, a 3000 yard passer and pushes the team into the playoffs in November and December is hardly what I would call crappy. Oh...and all of them are returning for the third straight year.

05-19-2006, 07:50 AM	#7
GoSkins! The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Yorktown, Va Age: 56 Posts: 1,587	Re: Will Our crappy O-Line kill cooleys production? I think that it may be correct to say that our line has underacheived in the past, but I think that it is crazy to say that our starting line is any kind of liability. I expect them to be strong again heading down the stretch. __________________ Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts. A. Einstien

05-19-2006, 07:59 AM	#8
724Skinsfan Playmaker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Roanoke, VA Posts: 3,508	Re: Will Our crappy O-Line kill cooleys production? Schneed had it right, Fauria was brought in for his excellent blocking ability. __________________ "I hope I'm getting better. I hope you haven't seen my best." - Jim Zorn

05-19-2006, 08:16 AM	#10
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	Re: Will Our crappy O-Line kill cooleys production? Calling our line crappy shows ignorance. Get some perspective and watch a team with a line that IS ACTUALLY bad. You'll see what a crappy line looks like. Is our line at "Hogs" level? Maybe not but it is in the top 10 in the league.

05-19-2006, 08:21 AM	#11
EEich The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bristol, CT Age: 61 Posts: 1,001	Re: Will Our crappy O-Line kill cooleys production? I agree... our line is just fine... it struggled at times due to injuries to Jansen and Thomas. If healthy, it has the potential to be a top five OL.

05-19-2006, 08:22 AM	#12
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,790	Re: Will Our crappy O-Line kill cooleys production? Someone on the boards was complaining about the line all last year around this time, I forget who it was now though. Anyway, to suggest the line is crappy is pretty ridiculous. Didn't Samuels make the Pro Bowl last year?? Just checking. And Dock easily had his most solid season. I really don't see any logical reason to fret over the starters on the offensive line. Samuels is one of the better LT's in the game, and Dock is a solid starter who is still coming into his own. Thomas and Jansen are both gamers who deserve more credit than they receive, and Rabach solidified the middle of the line last year. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

05-19-2006, 08:35 AM	#13
#56fanatic The Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Charlotte NC Age: 51 Posts: 1,801	Re: Will Our crappy O-Line kill cooleys production? lets look at a couple of things : Samuels made the pro-bowl. Thomas was definately on his way to the probowl before breaking his leg and Jansen should have gone to the probowl, playing with two broken thumbs, and only receiving 3 penaltys all year and only 1 of those might have been holding. He was a beast last year and blew up who ever was in front of him. Rabach is a quality center and Dockery is a pretty good run blocker and is only into his 4th year. His pass blocking will improve with Buges teaching him. To say our line is crappy, is way..way..way..way.. out of line.

05-19-2006, 09:23 AM	#15
scowan The Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: KY Age: 56 Posts: 1,559	Re: Will Our crappy O-Line kill cooleys production? Guys, we have a great O-line. The only problem is that we have only 5 guys that are great. We need to fine probably two more OL guys who can play one or more positions and then we will be truly great. We just saw what happens down the streach when we lose a starter last year. We really saw what happen when we lose other skill guys as well. I really think that if we would have had Patten and Randy Thomas in the Seattle playoff game, the results would have been different. It is tough when you have serious injuries.

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