Brunell vs. Bledsoe

Paintrain · 03-22-2006, 11:28 AM

For all the complaining and hand wringing we and the mediots do about Brunell and the unabashed praise that's heaped on Drew Bledsoe let's take a look at the numbers for a minute..

Bedsoe:
3639 yds
60.1 completion percentage
23 TD, 17 INT
49 sacks

Brunell:
3050 yds
57.7 completion percentage
23 TD, 10 INT
27 sacks

With the added weapons we have I have few concerns about Brunell replicating these numbers (which were good enough for 10 wins). The addition of TO is big for Dallas but with their offensive line still being subpar I don't know why they are all of the sudden so much better..

dmek25 · 03-22-2006, 11:32 AM

T.O. makes any team better instantly because he is a top 3 receiver in this league(just on talent only)their offensive line is going to take a step backwards meaning that bledsoe will probably not finish the year without getting injured

memphisskin · 03-22-2006, 11:35 AM

Good points. And I prefer Brunell over Bledsoe because at least Brunell can scramble a little, whereas Bledsoe is pretty much a statue. That, and Dallas' offensive line woes, explain the difference in sacks.

But, when given protection Bledsoe is the better passer. He's got a cannon for an arm, while Brunell does have a tendency to float some throws.

I guess everyone has forgotten our playoff run last year, and the fact that we beat them twice. No matter, we'll just have to show them again this fall.

scowan · 03-22-2006, 11:36 AM

Paintrain, those Sacks and INTs that you have highlighted really tell the story of how these 2 QB's are managing the game. That is 26 more times that Bledsoe lost yardage for his team and 7 more times he gave it to the other team. I thought Brunell probably had his most efficent season ever last year, even though he did not put up mind-boggling stats. When you play pretty much the whole season (minus a few quarters in that Chicago game) and only throw 10 INTs. You have really done well. I need to go look at the stats and see if anyone else threw fewer INTs that played 16 games.

MTK · 03-22-2006, 11:39 AM

The difference in INT's and sacks taken is huge.

I'm looking foward to seeing Brunell with all the weapons he now has, along with a more aggressive and unpredictable offensive scheme.

Brunell remarked last year that he would rather have more WRs running routes as opposed to keeping in additional protection, I guess this year he'll get his wish!

Huddle · 03-22-2006, 11:50 AM

Football stats in general, and QB stats in particular, are almost useless in measuring performance.

What you want to know is: How good is the QB?

The QB stats tell how good the QB was plus...

how good his receivers were
how good his protection was
how good his running game was
how good the playcalling was
how good the passing game scheme was
how good his defense was in giving him field position
how good his special teams were in giving him field position

Watching both play this past season, I give them both C's for the year. Both started strongly and finished weakly as expected given their ages and accumulating injuries.

12thMan · 03-22-2006, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Huddle

Football stats in general, and QB stats in particular, are almost useless in measuring performance.

What you want to know is: How good is the QB?

The QB stats tell how good the QB was plus...

how good his receivers were
how good his protection was
how good his running game was
how good the playcalling was
how good the passing game scheme was
how good his defense was in giving him field position
how good his special teams were in giving him field position

Watching both play this past season, I give them both C's for the year. Both started strongly and finished weakly as expected given their ages and accumulating injuries.

I wouldn't say stats are useless when measuring QBs. I think for one, stats are very telling, especially ints. Even if a QB is having protection issues, or just bad receivers, his ability or inability to get the ball in the proper place is largely up to him. It says a lot about his decision making, accuracy, and timing, ability to read coverages. While it's not an exact measure, I think 90% of the time we can tell a lot about a QB from stats.

Twilbert07 · 03-22-2006, 12:01 PM

Stats aside, we do know for a fact that both Brunell and Bledsoe are pretty old by QB standards.
It'll be interesting to see which one has a better season in 2006.
"Brunell touchdown to Moss... to Lloyd ... to Randle El" all sound good to me.

EXoffender · 03-22-2006, 12:03 PM

W/O OL Allen, you'd think Bledsoe's sacks will increase. Who's backing him up anyway?

Huddle · 03-22-2006, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

I wouldn't say stats are useless when measuring QBs. I think for one, stats are very telling, especially ints.

Some coaches, Mike Martz ,for example, shrug off INTs as part of the risk in a high-powered passing game. Some coaches (Spurrier) want their QB to throw to spots and depend on their receivers to turn defender if the DB is in position for an interception.

Some coaches emphasize run first and are content to dink and dunk while others opt for a riskier but more productive vertical passing game.

In the classic example of how INTs are system-related, Dan Marino fell to 27th in the draft because he had too many INTs in college at Pitt.

12thMan · 03-22-2006, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Huddle

Some coaches, Mike Martz ,for example, shrug off INTs as part of the risk in a high-powered passing game. Some coaches (Spurrier) want their QB to throw to spots and depend on their receivers to turn defender if the DB is in position for an interception.

Some coaches emphasize run first and are content to dink and dunk while others opt for a riskier but more productive vertical passing game.

In the classic example of how INTs are system-related, Dan Marino fell to 27th in the draft because he had too many INTs in college at Pitt.

While Marino had many INTs in college, he was very efficient in the Pro's. See rookie season. And the reason he fell 27th in the draft could have had more to do with other things than on the field performance.

Higher risk and ulitmate risk, turning the ball over, are two different things. I'm not suggesting that sometimes we put too much stock into stats, but on the other hand I don't remember a QB who had a high ratio of TDs/INTs ever winning anything.

ArtMonkDrillz · 03-22-2006, 12:26 PM

Aside from injuries, my biggest concern with Brunell has got to be fumbles. Does anyone know how many times he coughed the ball up last season? It seemed like he let go of the ball way too often. I think that with our imporved receiving core defenses will have to drop more people into coverage and Brunell will have more time to find the open man, I just hope he holds onto the ball when he can't.

724Skinsfan · 03-22-2006, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by EXoffender

W/O OL Allen, you'd think Bledsoe's sacks will increase. Who's backing him up anyway?

Hopefully a Houston Texans lineman!

That Guy · 03-22-2006, 12:29 PM

bledsoe's higher int stat are directly related to his higher sacked stat. he probably offset a lot of the detriments with the extra 600 yards though.

Huddle · 03-22-2006, 12:43 PM

[quote=12thMan]

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While Marino had many INTs in college, he was very efficient in the Pro's. See rookie season.

You're making my point. Scouts over-emphasized his INTs in college. Those stats were of no value in predicting his performance in the NFL.

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I don't remember a QB who had a high ratio of TDs/INTs ever winning anything.

The QBs on winning teams are going to have good stats. The QBs on losing teams are going to have poor stats.

But trying to compare QBs on stats from one team to another doesn't work.

03-22-2006, 11:28 AM	#1
Paintrain Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Age: 54 Posts: 5,006	Brunell vs. Bledsoe For all the complaining and hand wringing we and the mediots do about Brunell and the unabashed praise that's heaped on Drew Bledsoe let's take a look at the numbers for a minute.. Bedsoe: 3639 yds 60.1 completion percentage 23 TD, 17 INT 49 sacks Brunell: 3050 yds 57.7 completion percentage 23 TD, 10 INT 27 sacks With the added weapons we have I have few concerns about Brunell replicating these numbers (which were good enough for 10 wins). The addition of TO is big for Dallas but with their offensive line still being subpar I don't know why they are all of the sudden so much better.. __________________ Paintrain's Redskins Fandom 1981-2014 I'm not dead but this team is dead to me...but now that McCloughan is here they may have new life! Jay Gruden = Zorny McSpurrier Kirk Cousins = Next Grossman

03-22-2006, 11:32 AM	#2
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	Re: Brunell vs. Bledsoe T.O. makes any team better instantly because he is a top 3 receiver in this league(just on talent only)their offensive line is going to take a step backwards meaning that bledsoe will probably not finish the year without getting injured __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

03-22-2006, 11:35 AM	#3
memphisskin Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Nashville, TN Age: 53 Posts: 960	Re: Brunell vs. Bledsoe Good points. And I prefer Brunell over Bledsoe because at least Brunell can scramble a little, whereas Bledsoe is pretty much a statue. That, and Dallas' offensive line woes, explain the difference in sacks. But, when given protection Bledsoe is the better passer. He's got a cannon for an arm, while Brunell does have a tendency to float some throws. I guess everyone has forgotten our playoff run last year, and the fact that we beat them twice. No matter, we'll just have to show them again this fall.

03-22-2006, 11:36 AM	#4
scowan The Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: KY Age: 56 Posts: 1,559	Re: Brunell vs. Bledsoe Paintrain, those Sacks and INTs that you have highlighted really tell the story of how these 2 QB's are managing the game. That is 26 more times that Bledsoe lost yardage for his team and 7 more times he gave it to the other team. I thought Brunell probably had his most efficent season ever last year, even though he did not put up mind-boggling stats. When you play pretty much the whole season (minus a few quarters in that Chicago game) and only throw 10 INTs. You have really done well. I need to go look at the stats and see if anyone else threw fewer INTs that played 16 games.

03-22-2006, 11:39 AM	#5
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	Re: Brunell vs. Bledsoe The difference in INT's and sacks taken is huge. I'm looking foward to seeing Brunell with all the weapons he now has, along with a more aggressive and unpredictable offensive scheme. Brunell remarked last year that he would rather have more WRs running routes as opposed to keeping in additional protection, I guess this year he'll get his wish! __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

03-22-2006, 11:50 AM	#6
Huddle Special Teams Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 352	Re: Brunell vs. Bledsoe Football stats in general, and QB stats in particular, are almost useless in measuring performance. What you want to know is: How good is the QB? The QB stats tell how good the QB was plus... how good his receivers were how good his protection was how good his running game was how good the playcalling was how good the passing game scheme was how good his defense was in giving him field position how good his special teams were in giving him field position Watching both play this past season, I give them both C's for the year. Both started strongly and finished weakly as expected given their ages and accumulating injuries.

03-22-2006, 12:01 PM	#8
Twilbert07 Impact Rookie Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Atlanta, GA Age: 60 Posts: 594	Re: Brunell vs. Bledsoe Stats aside, we do know for a fact that both Brunell and Bledsoe are pretty old by QB standards. It'll be interesting to see which one has a better season in 2006. "Brunell touchdown to Moss... to Lloyd ... to Randle El" all sound good to me. __________________ a Skins fan every day, every way.

03-22-2006, 12:03 PM	#9
EXoffender The Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Norfolk, Va Posts: 1,046	Re: Brunell vs. Bledsoe W/O OL Allen, you'd think Bledsoe's sacks will increase. Who's backing him up anyway?

03-22-2006, 12:26 PM	#12
ArtMonkDrillz Franchise Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ellicott City, MD Age: 42 Posts: 8,029	Re: Brunell vs. Bledsoe Aside from injuries, my biggest concern with Brunell has got to be fumbles. Does anyone know how many times he coughed the ball up last season? It seemed like he let go of the ball way too often. I think that with our imporved receiving core defenses will have to drop more people into coverage and Brunell will have more time to find the open man, I just hope he holds onto the ball when he can't. __________________ "Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." The Dude

03-22-2006, 12:29 PM	#14
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,620	Re: Brunell vs. Bledsoe bledsoe's higher int stat are directly related to his higher sacked stat. he probably offset a lot of the detriments with the extra 600 yards though.

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