Al Saunder vs. Gregg Willams?

hooskins · 07-16-2006, 10:05 AM

I was thinking about how everyone was deadlocked on GW being the coach after Gibbs leaves. It was rumored that GW stayed with us because of that position. Now that Saunders is a part of the team, will he be competition with GW? And if there is potential competition, you think GW and Saunders get along? I pose this question because I feel Saunders will also steal some of the spotlight from GW. This is kinda a dumb question bc Saunders speciality is OC, but just a random concern that came to my mind.

Pocket$ $traight · 07-16-2006, 10:27 AM

I am chomping at the bit to see Saunders' offense but you have to go with Williams. I do not want to see "Ball coach" defense ever again.

dmek25 · 07-16-2006, 10:41 AM

actually when marvin lewis was here, our defense was pretty good. especially considering how much they were on the field

Beemnseven · 07-16-2006, 10:43 AM

These guys are professionals. They know their roles, they're adults, so I don't think you'll see a Buddy Ryan vs. Kevin Gilbride type situation.

Certainly they'll both want the job once Gibbs decides to leave -- assuming they're still here when that happens. If Gregg Williams has another season of defensive success, say, top ten in the league, I don't see how another team doesn't finally relent and make him a head coaching offer he can't refuse. Barring a defensive collapse (perish the thought!), I just don't think there's any way possible Williams stays for his fourth year as defensive coordinator in '07. Saunders is probably going to be here longer anyway, I would think.

Then again, if the Skins win the Super Bowl, all bets are off. Gibbs would probably call it quits, say the team is in good hands, and one of the two takes over as head coach. Somehow I doubt you'd see either of them as the top guy while the other says as assistant head coach/coordinator.

That probably doesn't clear anything up, but I can tell you this for certain: A Joe Gibbs coached team will not have desention in the ranks of the coaching staff.

Schneed10 · 07-16-2006, 10:51 AM

No, I think GW is still Dan Snyder's guy. He gave him that $1 million clause in his contract for a reason. The clause says if GW is not the next head coach, he'll get a $1 million payment from Danny.

Beemnseven · 07-16-2006, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

No, I think GW is still Dan Snyder's guy. He gave him that $1 million clause in his contract for a reason. The clause says if GW is not the next head coach, he'll get a $1 million payment from Danny.

So if Gregg Williams is the head coach somewhere else, he obviously can't be the head coach for Washington, and he gets an extra $1 million for that? Talk about a 'can't lose' scenario for Williams!

Please tell me that clause is null and void if Williams takes a head coaching position elsewhere.

Pocket$ $traight · 07-16-2006, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

actually when marvin lewis was here, our defense was pretty good. especially considering how much they were on the field

That was year one, the team was still awful and I don't think he is available. That second year is all that I remember and there are high school defenses that would execute better than that one.

BrudLee · 07-16-2006, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Please tell me that clause is null and void if Williams takes a head coaching position elsewhere.

You are correct.

saden1 · 07-16-2006, 12:37 PM

Williams has the edge because he was here first. As for Saunders no one really gave him a chance this past off season. I think owners are a little hesitant about Saunders ability to be a head coach and have type casted him into a offensive coordinator role. If Danny wants to keep both Williams and Saunders after Gibbs retires he'll have to digg deep down into his pockets.

steveo395 · 07-16-2006, 12:46 PM

Williams has been here longer, he's younger, and gibbs and snyder want him as the next head coach (because of the $1 million clause)

Williams and Saunders both said that they aren't going to leave...hopefully they weren't lying

Darrell_Green_28 · 07-16-2006, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Beemnseven

So if Gregg Williams is the head coach somewhere else, he obviously can't be the head coach for Washington, and he gets an extra $1 million for that? Talk about a 'can't lose' scenario for Williams!

Please tell me that clause is null and void if Williams takes a head coaching position elsewhere.

The clause will only go int affect if Joe Gibbs leaves and Danny hires someone else other than Williams.. NOT if Williams decides to go to another team.

MTK · 07-16-2006, 01:27 PM

I honestly don't even want to think about things beyond this year.

Defensewins · 07-16-2006, 02:00 PM

With Saunders and Williams getting paid the big bucks, as much or more than most the head coaches in the NFL, the title doesn't mean that much except for an insecure/selfish person.
With Williams already having some experience as head coach Bills, you have to give the nod to Williams. However, Saunders is deserving of a good title.

Longtimefan · 07-16-2006, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I honestly don't even want to think about things beyond this year.

I'm trying to imagine just what would be said had the media dreamed up this senerio.

BigSKINBauer · 07-16-2006, 03:38 PM

If gibbs does stay another year, which i think he will, i really don't think GW would leave. I can see saunders leaving for a HC position somewhere else but not GW. GW had his chance many a time. He chose to stay here when he would have gotten the chance to be a head coach. The clause garantees GW a job when gibbs leaves. I don't see any reason we would go over to Saunders if gibbs was to leave in the next two years. Only if the defense completely skrews up and pulls a below 20 ranking and we lose faith in GW. I don't see that happening.

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hooskins Most Interesting Man in the World Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chantilly, VA Age: 38 Posts: 8,606	Al Saunder vs. Gregg Willams? I was thinking about how everyone was deadlocked on GW being the coach after Gibbs leaves. It was rumored that GW stayed with us because of that position. Now that Saunders is a part of the team, will he be competition with GW? And if there is potential competition, you think GW and Saunders get along? I pose this question because I feel Saunders will also steal some of the spotlight from GW. This is kinda a dumb question bc Saunders speciality is OC, but just a random concern that came to my mind. __________________ Vacancy

07-16-2006, 10:27 AM	#2
Pocket$ $traight Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Fairfax, VA Age: 49 Posts: 4,261	Re: Al Saunder vs. Gregg Willams? I am chomping at the bit to see Saunders' offense but you have to go with Williams. I do not want to see "Ball coach" defense ever again.

07-16-2006, 10:41 AM	#3
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	Re: Al Saunder vs. Gregg Willams? actually when marvin lewis was here, our defense was pretty good. especially considering how much they were on the field __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

07-16-2006, 10:43 AM	#4
Beemnseven Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Virginia Beach Age: 51 Posts: 5,311	Re: Al Saunder vs. Gregg Willams? These guys are professionals. They know their roles, they're adults, so I don't think you'll see a Buddy Ryan vs. Kevin Gilbride type situation. Certainly they'll both want the job once Gibbs decides to leave -- assuming they're still here when that happens. If Gregg Williams has another season of defensive success, say, top ten in the league, I don't see how another team doesn't finally relent and make him a head coaching offer he can't refuse. Barring a defensive collapse (perish the thought!), I just don't think there's any way possible Williams stays for his fourth year as defensive coordinator in '07. Saunders is probably going to be here longer anyway, I would think. Then again, if the Skins win the Super Bowl, all bets are off. Gibbs would probably call it quits, say the team is in good hands, and one of the two takes over as head coach. Somehow I doubt you'd see either of them as the top guy while the other says as assistant head coach/coordinator. That probably doesn't clear anything up, but I can tell you this for certain: A Joe Gibbs coached team will not have desention in the ranks of the coaching staff.

07-16-2006, 10:51 AM	#5
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 46 Posts: 12,458	Re: Al Saunder vs. Gregg Willams? No, I think GW is still Dan Snyder's guy. He gave him that $1 million clause in his contract for a reason. The clause says if GW is not the next head coach, he'll get a $1 million payment from Danny. __________________ God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.

07-16-2006, 12:37 PM	#9
saden1 MVP Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Age: 46 Posts: 10,069	Re: Al Saunder vs. Gregg Willams? Williams has the edge because he was here first. As for Saunders no one really gave him a chance this past off season. I think owners are a little hesitant about Saunders ability to be a head coach and have type casted him into a offensive coordinator role. If Danny wants to keep both Williams and Saunders after Gibbs retires he'll have to digg deep down into his pockets. __________________ "The Redskins have always suffered from chronic organizational deformities under Snyder." -Jenkins

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steveo395 The Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,674	Re: Al Saunder vs. Gregg Willams? Williams has been here longer, he's younger, and gibbs and snyder want him as the next head coach (because of the $1 million clause) Williams and Saunders both said that they aren't going to leave...hopefully they weren't lying __________________

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Defensewins Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 3,765	Re: Al Saunder vs. Gregg Willams? With Saunders and Williams getting paid the big bucks, as much or more than most the head coaches in the NFL, the title doesn't mean that much except for an insecure/selfish person. With Williams already having some experience as head coach Bills, you have to give the nod to Williams. However, Saunders is deserving of a good title.

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BigSKINBauer Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Washington, DC Age: 37 Posts: 5,688	Re: Al Saunder vs. Gregg Willams? If gibbs does stay another year, which i think he will, i really don't think GW would leave. I can see saunders leaving for a HC position somewhere else but not GW. GW had his chance many a time. He chose to stay here when he would have gotten the chance to be a head coach. The clause garantees GW a job when gibbs leaves. I don't see any reason we would go over to Saunders if gibbs was to leave in the next two years. Only if the defense completely skrews up and pulls a below 20 ranking and we lose faith in GW. I don't see that happening.

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