Kiper reviews DB's

Defensewins · 03-12-2008, 11:10 PM

I hope this hasn't been posted already. I checked and did not find it.
I know Kipers judgement on players isn't always good, but at least you see some video and learn the names of some of the top prospects.

http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/...59789&n8pe6c=1

I like CB Aqib Talib.

SmootSmack · 03-12-2008, 11:15 PM

Good thread

Wrong forum. Moving it

That Guy · 03-12-2008, 11:41 PM

kiper's a decent judge of talent. i don't like talib that much though. DRC baby!

thanks for the link.

mooby · 03-13-2008, 07:39 AM

I like Aqib Talib, although I haven't been as impressed by him at the combine as I was with others. Imo DRC really stepped up at the combine and he definitely impressed me, but I'm somewhat wary of him because the old rule of thumb that says players who have greatly improved their draft stock at the combine don't necessessarily translate into great professional players.

freddyg12 · 03-13-2008, 08:06 AM

He still has my boy Brandon Flowers up there. If he's around in the 2nd he would be a good pick, but given the talent at DE,WR & OT (+ B. Albert), I can't see him going in the 1st.

SkinsFanSince91 · 03-13-2008, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by mooby

I like Aqib Talib, although I haven't been as impressed by him at the combine as I was with others. Imo DRC really stepped up at the combine and he definitely impressed me, but I'm somewhat wary of him because the old rule of thumb that says players who have greatly improved their draft stock at the combine don't necessessarily translate into great professional players.

The thing is he was the best CB at the senior bowl and then he proceeded to sh*t on everyone else at the combine.

With a little tutelage, weight room activity, and practice, he could easily be one of the top CB of the last 5-10 years.

Talib falls into the early 2nd round IMO

SeanTaylor21 · 03-13-2008, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Defensewins

I hope this hasn't been posted already. I checked and did not find it.
I know Kipers judgement on players isn't always good, but at least you see some video and learn the names of some of the top prospects.

Mel Kiper Draft Series: The Secondary - ESPN Video

I like CB Aqib Talib.

I dunno about him, he got destroyed by Jordy Nelson, havent you seen that video: YouTube - Jordy Nelson destroys Aqib Talib

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 03-13-2008, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SeanTaylor21

I dunno about him, he got destroyed by Jordy Nelson, havent you seen that video: YouTube - Jordy Nelson destroys Aqib Talib

So that one play makes him a sorry CB? If thats the case Carlos Rogers needs to be released now.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 03-13-2008, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SeanTaylor21

I dunno about him, he got destroyed by Jordy Nelson, havent you seen that video: YouTube - Jordy Nelson destroys Aqib Talib

I'm not 100% sold on Talib. It sounds like he'll excel in certain zone schemes and may have a hard time facing speedsters in man-to-man coverage. That being said, we shouldn't avoid him just because there's a youtube video of him getting toasted.

That Guy · 03-14-2008, 12:13 PM

well, i think the thing with DRC is it'll be his 2nd or 3rd season before he starts to get good at his job in the NFL. the payoff (long term) would be worth it though.

Meks · 04-02-2008, 05:33 PM

we need kenny phillips.

GMScud · 04-02-2008, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SeanTaylor21

I dunno about him, he got destroyed by Jordy Nelson, havent you seen that video: YouTube - Jordy Nelson destroys Aqib Talib

This is so overhyped. He got beat once by one of the best receivers in college football. So what? He was a shut down corner for Kansas all year. Everyone blows a play every once and a while.

freddyg12 · 04-03-2008, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by GMScud

This is so overhyped. He got beat once by one of the best receivers in college football. So what? He was a shut down corner for Kansas all year. Everyone blows a play every once and a while.

yeah, Josh Morgan of VT ran right by him in their bowl game. Although Morgarn dropped the pass, he had him clearly beat.

On the other hand, earlier in the game he picked off a pass on the sidelines & took it to the house. He's a good punt returner too, very swift w/his cuts.

I think part of the reason guys in college ball will get beat deep by lesser recievers is that they think they can gamble more at that level. If the guy has a decent head on his shoulders then he'll mature as a pro & play more disciplined.

In short, you can't expect the game tape of many college players to show a finished product. Talib looks like a very good nfl corner IMO.

SC Skins Fan · 04-03-2008, 08:17 AM

I only saw Talib play a little during the VT game before my wife made me turn it (VT alum, can't ever take VT losing). My snap assesment (for the very little it is worth) was that he was not particularly fluid in his hips and might have some trouble turning to run with NFL receivers.

Personally, I'm very enamored with Devin Thomas at this point (as are some others whose opinion I respect - namely Pat Kirwan - and of course a certain cohort on this site). I'm kind of down to looking at Pat Kirwan's mocks because basically all of these things aren't going to be worth the paper they are printed on come late April, but at least you can see the logic and knowledge in Pat's mocks (and you don't have to be an ESPN Insider to see them). He has us taking Calais Campbell in his latest version - which makes a lot of sense in the scenario he sets up since Devin Thomas, Talib, Derrick Harvey, Phillip Merhling, Brandon Albert, DRC, Kenny Phillips, and Limas Sweed (who I don't think the Skins would take anyway) are all gone. Malcom Kelly is there, but apparently his knees are becoming a big question and he has him falling out of the first for now (Mark Clayton also had knee issues when he came out of Oklahoma and went in the 20's to Baltimore and the knees haven't been an issue - though injuries were last year). I know Campbell ran a 5.whatever and that has turned a lot of internet guys off, but I'd have to go back and look at the tape. The last guy who I remember running a 5.whatever and dropping hard as a result was Darren Howard and he put in some good years for the Saints.

In any case, I think Kirwan is worth looking at because he has done it in the NFL (unlike Kiper) and is usually pretty thoughtful/knowledgeable when talking NFL stuff.

Mock draft 2.0: Gholston is the new No. 1

freddyg12 · 04-03-2008, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

I only saw Talib play a little during the VT game before my wife made me turn it (VT alum, can't ever take VT losing). My snap assesment (for the very little it is worth) was that he was not particularly fluid in his hips and might have some trouble turning to run with NFL receivers.

Personally, I'm very enamored with Devin Thomas at this point (as are some others whose opinion I respect - namely Pat Kirwan - and of course a certain cohort on this site). I'm kind of down to looking at Pat Kirwan's mocks because basically all of these things aren't going to be worth the paper they are printed on come late April, but at least you can see the logic and knowledge in Pat's mocks (and you don't have to be an ESPN Insider to see them). He has us taking Calais Campbell in his latest version - which makes a lot of sense in the scenario he sets up since Devin Thomas, Talib, Derrick Harvey, Phillip Merhling, Brandon Albert, DRC, Kenny Phillips, and Limas Sweed (who I don't think the Skins would take anyway) are all gone. Malcom Kelly is there, but apparently his knees are becoming a big question and he has him falling out of the first for now (Mark Clayton also had knee issues when he came out of Oklahoma and went in the 20's to Baltimore and the knees haven't been an issue - though injuries were last year). I know Campbell ran a 5.whatever and that has turned a lot of internet guys off, but I'd have to go back and look at the tape. The last guy who I remember running a 5.whatever and dropping hard as a result was Darren Howard and he put in some good years for the Saints.

In any case, I think Kirwan is worth looking at because he has done it in the NFL (unlike Kiper) and is usually pretty thoughtful/knowledgeable when talking NFL stuff.

Mock draft 2.0: Gholston is the new No. 1

Excellent post SC. Tell your wife & fellow Hokie that I feel her pain. We got outcoached in that game, no doubt about it in my mind.

Interesting take on Talib. I was saying he might 'sit' on routes too much & look for the big pick, but you think he's actually not fluid in his moves out of the back pedal. Might be something that can be corrected in the nfl. I wouldn't be upset if we picked him, but being a Hokie & knowing that his stock has fallen some, I hope Brandon Flowers is there in round 2 & we use our #1 on the best DE,DT or WR. (But if Brandon Albert were there at 21 that'd be too good to pass up)

03-12-2008, 11:15 PM	#2
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Kiper reviews DB's Good thread Wrong forum. Moving it __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

03-12-2008, 11:41 PM	#3
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,620	Re: Kiper reviews DB's kiper's a decent judge of talent. i don't like talib that much though. DRC baby! thanks for the link.

03-13-2008, 07:39 AM	#4
mooby Hug Anne Spyder Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 20,577	Re: Kiper reviews DB's I like Aqib Talib, although I haven't been as impressed by him at the combine as I was with others. Imo DRC really stepped up at the combine and he definitely impressed me, but I'm somewhat wary of him because the old rule of thumb that says players who have greatly improved their draft stock at the combine don't necessessarily translate into great professional players. __________________ Hail to the Football Team

03-13-2008, 08:06 AM	#5
freddyg12 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,540	Re: Kiper reviews DB's He still has my boy Brandon Flowers up there. If he's around in the 2nd he would be a good pick, but given the talent at DE,WR & OT (+ B. Albert), I can't see him going in the 1st.

03-14-2008, 12:13 PM	#10
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,620	Re: Kiper reviews DB's well, i think the thing with DRC is it'll be his 2nd or 3rd season before he starts to get good at his job in the NFL. the payoff (long term) would be worth it though.

03-12-2008, 11:10 PM	#1
Defensewins Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 3,765	Kiper reviews DB's I hope this hasn't been posted already. I checked and did not find it. I know Kipers judgement on players isn't always good, but at least you see some video and learn the names of some of the top prospects. http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/...59789&n8pe6c=1 I like CB Aqib Talib.

04-02-2008, 05:33 PM	#11
Meks Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Jersey Age: 40 Posts: 5,812	Re: Kiper reviews DB's we need kenny phillips. __________________ R.I.P #21SEAN TAYLOR

04-03-2008, 08:17 AM	#14
SC Skins Fan The Starter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,555	Re: Kiper reviews DB's I only saw Talib play a little during the VT game before my wife made me turn it (VT alum, can't ever take VT losing). My snap assesment (for the very little it is worth) was that he was not particularly fluid in his hips and might have some trouble turning to run with NFL receivers. Personally, I'm very enamored with Devin Thomas at this point (as are some others whose opinion I respect - namely Pat Kirwan - and of course a certain cohort on this site). I'm kind of down to looking at Pat Kirwan's mocks because basically all of these things aren't going to be worth the paper they are printed on come late April, but at least you can see the logic and knowledge in Pat's mocks (and you don't have to be an ESPN Insider to see them). He has us taking Calais Campbell in his latest version - which makes a lot of sense in the scenario he sets up since Devin Thomas, Talib, Derrick Harvey, Phillip Merhling, Brandon Albert, DRC, Kenny Phillips, and Limas Sweed (who I don't think the Skins would take anyway) are all gone. Malcom Kelly is there, but apparently his knees are becoming a big question and he has him falling out of the first for now (Mark Clayton also had knee issues when he came out of Oklahoma and went in the 20's to Baltimore and the knees haven't been an issue - though injuries were last year). I know Campbell ran a 5.whatever and that has turned a lot of internet guys off, but I'd have to go back and look at the tape. The last guy who I remember running a 5.whatever and dropping hard as a result was Darren Howard and he put in some good years for the Saints. In any case, I think Kirwan is worth looking at because he has done it in the NFL (unlike Kiper) and is usually pretty thoughtful/knowledgeable when talking NFL stuff. Mock draft 2.0: Gholston is the new No. 1 __________________ It has taken a long time, but I have finally realized that nothing I say about the Redskins will have any effect upon anything the Redskins do.

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