2009 Draft Position & Who to Root for Sunday

Hail to the Redskins · 12-24-2008, 02:17 PM

It's ALREADY that time of season for us Redskin fans again. The time for Christmas wishes and looking forward to the NFL draft, not our upcoming playoff matchup.

Since I am sure that many here are wandering where exactly we will be selecting in the 1st round... I decided to take a look at the scenerios leading up to Sundays game in SF.

Basically, depending what happens Sunday, we could draft as high as 13th, but that is unlikely as we would have to lose, the Bills defeat the Patriots, the Saints defeat the Panthers, and the Texans defeat the Bears.

The lowest we could draft is 18th. This happens if we win, the Cowboys defeat the Eagles, the Bears DON'T make the playoffs, and the Jets lose to the Dolphins. This seems a lot more likely.

I wanted to point out for everyone which games will have an effect on our position between 15th and 18th (our most likely landing spot)....

* We want the Bears to win (vs Texans) & the Vikings to lose (to G-Men), because the Bears will draft ahead of us if they don't make playoffs, whereas, the Vikings would still draft after us if they don't make it.

* We want the Jets to win (over Dolphins) as they would draft ahead of us if we finish tied at 9-7 (due to strength of schedule). FYI, whoever doesn't make playoffs between Miami, NE, and Balt. automatically will draft after us as they all have 10 wins.

* We want the Eagles to win over Dallas (as if we needed MORE reason!) because if they lose they will draft before us (8-7-1 is worse thatn 9-7). FYI, whoever doesn't make playoffs between Dallas (Lions will be USING their pick from a trade) & Tampa will draft after us due to their sos being higher.

If these 4 things happen, and we win, we will have the 15th selection in the upcoming draft.

Basically, each of those "scenarios" constitutes a slot for us in the draft.

So, somewhere between 15 & 18 seems most likely, but if you REALLY care about a couple of slots (us picking 13th), then your Christmas wish is for us to lose, etc. noted above...

HAPPY HOLIDAYS!

OH... And I wanted to point out what I thought was interesting when looking at this....

The Detroit Lions have, by far, the toughest SOS of anyone in football at .573, whereas the Tennessee Titans have, by far, the easiest SOS at .433.... just an extra nugget there.

BigHairedAristocrat · 12-24-2008, 02:24 PM

I also read somewhere that if we lose and finish last in the division, we get to play the Lions on the road and the Seahawks at home next year. If we win, we have to play two much tougher opponents - cant remember who they were, but it was something like Colts at Home, Steelers on the road...
it made me kinda hope we lose, so we have an easier schedule next year.

Hail to the Redskins · 12-24-2008, 02:34 PM

That's a great point about next year's schedule... like I said in another post, I am not on the bandwagon saying finishing 9-7 is such a big deal/great thing.

GMScud · 12-24-2008, 02:44 PM

I understand it's perfectly rational to lay out these scenarios. I also understand the longer term benefit (next year's schedule, draft position) if the Redskins lose. I especially understand how it makes even more sense to look at it this way since we've been eliminated from the playoffs.

However, I cannot, and will not EVER cheer for the Redskins to lose. Plain and simple.

HAIL.

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 12-24-2008, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I also read somewhere that if we lose and finish last in the division, we get to play the Lions on the road and the Seahawks at home next year. If we win, we have to play two much tougher opponents - cant remember who they were, but it was something like Colts at Home, Steelers on the road...
it made me kinda hope we lose, so we have an easier schedule next year.

there is no way we can play the colts and steelers in the same regular season as they are in different divisions and we just played the AFC North this season more than likely we will face the AFC west next season

GMScud · 12-24-2008, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

there is no way we can play the volts and steelers in the same regular season as they are in different divisions and we just played the AFC North this season more than likely we will face the AFC west next season

We do play the AFC West next season. It rotates. in '06 we played the AFC South, last year the AFC East, this year AFC North, next year AFC West. Last time we played the Chargers was when LT ripped off that sick run to beat us at FedEx in OT back in '05.

We went 0-4 that year against the AFC.

Hail to the Redskins · 12-24-2008, 03:20 PM

More FYI...

From what I read & understand...

* The last place team (if we lose) from NFC East will play at Detroit Lions and at home against the St. Louis Rams (wow that's be weird... identical to this year)

* The 3rd place team (if we win) will play at Green Bay Packers and at home against Seattle Seahawks

to me .... that's a HUGE difference, because of 2 things...

1) Obviously, we would have an easier schedule (Lions instead of Packers jumps out!) by losing & finishing last...

2) If we win Sunday and Dallas loses, THEY would be last place in division, meaning THEY would get to play Lions/Rams!! If we win & Dallas wins, then Eagles would play Rams/Lions.

Oh... Here is our exact schedule:

Home: Dallas, Philadelphia, NYG, Saints, Buccaneers, Broncos, Chiefs, same place finisher from NFC West

Away: Dallas, Philadelphia, NYG, Falcons, Panthers, Raiders, Chargers, same place finisher from NFC North

44ever · 12-24-2008, 03:22 PM

At this point all I already look forward to seeing is the Giants getting knocked out of the playoffs. I know I'm fast forward a bit but I can't stand the Giants. And say what you will about Dallas and Eagles. But for me the Giants really get under my skin.(No pun intended) I would like to see the Skins go out winning. If it means a tougher schedule next year, so be it. We are either good enough to beat them or no sence in getting in the playoffs next year. Draft is concerning but to many variables to worry about that. Go Skins!!!!!!!!!

53Fan · 12-24-2008, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GMScud

I understand it's perfectly rational to lay out these scenarios. I also understand the longer term benefit (next year's schedule, draft position) if the Redskins lose. I especially understand how it makes even more sense to look at it this way since we've been eliminated from the playoffs.

However, I cannot, and will not EVER cheer for the Redskins to lose. Plain and simple.

HAIL.

Could'nt of said it better myself! Win and let the pieces fall where they may. I'm not trying to back into anything. HAIL REDSKINS!!!

Hail to the Redskins · 12-24-2008, 03:53 PM

Well, like I said, in the original post... we can win sunday and still pick 15th. I just wanted to make Sunday more interesting for 'Skins fans by pointing out who else to root for in order to pick up 1 to 3 spots in the draft.

I think the whole playing Lions/Rams instead of Packers/Seahawks IS a bigg deal... especially if we are the ones playing GB/Sea & Dallas is playing Det/StL...

so while I am not necessarily ROOTING to lose, what I REALLY want is to play a bunch of the young guys Sunday...

If we win, good news for the future with some guys that contribute well, if we lose because these guys are starting/getting majority of reps (Rinehart, Kelly, Thomas, Davis, Tryon), it helps us next year with an easier schedule and better draft pick... to me win-win.

Too bad Cerrato totally disagrees (from Wash Post)..

"No longer in the hunt for an NFC wild-card berth, the Redskins could use their final game as an audition for next season, giving rookies such as Rinehart and Tryon playing time with the first team. But with the opportunity to finish with consecutive victories, "we're looking to win the game," Cerrato said. Rinehart "hasn't played yet. It makes no sense to do that. How's that fair to [starting left guard] Pete Kendall? We're not into evaluating, we're into winning the last two games in a row." "

SC Skins Fan · 12-24-2008, 04:11 PM

53Fan · 12-24-2008, 04:13 PM

EXACTLY!

BigHairedAristocrat · 12-24-2008, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

there is no way we can play the volts and steelers in the same regular season as they are in different divisions and we just played the AFC North this season more than likely we will face the AFC west next season

I posted a response but it has been covered already so i modified... suffice to say, if we lose to the 49ers Sunday, we basically get two easy wins next year. If we win, its almost assured we get two losses (atleast based on how the opponents played this year... anything can happen in the NFL so the Lions could be the best team in the NFL next year... lol, nevermind thats just too crazy!)

Beemnseven · 12-24-2008, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Hail to the Redskins

It's ALREADY that time of season for us Redskin fans again. The time for Christmas wishes and looking forward to the NFL draft, not our upcoming playoff matchup.

Since I am sure that many here are wandering where exactly we will be selecting in the 1st round... I decided to take a look at the scenerios leading up to Sundays game in SF.

Basically, depending what happens Sunday, we could draft as high as 13th, but that is unlikely as we would have to lose, the Bills defeat the Patriots, the Saints defeat the Panthers, and the Texans defeat the Bears.

The lowest we could draft is 18th. This happens if we win, the Cowboys defeat the Eagles, the Bears lose to the Texans, and the Jets lose to the Dolphins. This seems more likely, except for the Bears game, as they are playing to win division & Texans are playing for nothing.

I wanted to point out for everyone which games will have an effect on our position between 15th and 18th (our most likely landing spot)....

* We want the Bears to win (vs Texans) & the Vikings to lose (to G-Men), because the bears will draft ahead of us if they don't make playoffs, whereas, the Vikings would still draft after us if they don't make it.

* We want the Jets to win (over Dolphins) as they would draft ahead of us if we finish tied at 9-7 (due to strength of schedule). FYI, whoever doesn't make playoffs between Miami, NE, and Balt. automatically will draft after us as they all have 10 wins.

* We want the Eagles to win over Dallas (as if we needed MORE reason!) because if they lose they will draft before us (8-7-1 is worse thatn 9-7). FYI, whoever doesn't make playoffs between Dallas (Lions will be USING their pick from a trade) & Tampa will draft after us due to their sos being higher.

If these 4 things happen, and we win, we will have the 15th selection in the upcoming draft.

Basically, each of those "scenarios" constitutes a slot for us in the draft.

So, somewhere between 15 & 18 seems most likely, but if you REALLY care about a couple of slots (us picking 13th), then your Christmas wish is for us to lose, etc. noted above...

HAPPY HOLIDAYS!

OH... And I wanted to point out what I thought was interesting when looking at this....

The Detroit Lions have, by far, the toughest SOS of anyone in football at .573, whereas the Tennessee Titans have, by far, the easiest SOS at .433.... just an extra nugget there.

Well done. I was wondering how this was all going to play out. I was just too lazy to do the homework.

If it were up to me, I'd nominate you for VIP status for this thread.

GTripp0012 · 12-24-2008, 05:32 PM

With our cap situtation, wouldn't it make more sense to pick a few spots lower, considering the talent level is roughly the same?

I mean, obviously, if it was a huge issue, we could just skip over a few picks and have a lower slot. But, you know, lots of discussion about the difference between pick 14-18.

12-24-2008, 02:17 PM	#1
Hail to the Redskins The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,687	2009 Draft Position & Who to Root for Sunday It's ALREADY that time of season for us Redskin fans again. The time for Christmas wishes and looking forward to the NFL draft, not our upcoming playoff matchup. Since I am sure that many here are wandering where exactly we will be selecting in the 1st round... I decided to take a look at the scenerios leading up to Sundays game in SF. Basically, depending what happens Sunday, we could draft as high as 13th, but that is unlikely as we would have to lose, the Bills defeat the Patriots, the Saints defeat the Panthers, and the Texans defeat the Bears. The lowest we could draft is 18th. This happens if we win, the Cowboys defeat the Eagles, the Bears DON'T make the playoffs, and the Jets lose to the Dolphins. This seems a lot more likely. I wanted to point out for everyone which games will have an effect on our position between 15th and 18th (our most likely landing spot).... * We want the Bears to win (vs Texans) & the Vikings to lose (to G-Men), because the Bears will draft ahead of us if they don't make playoffs, whereas, the Vikings would still draft after us if they don't make it. * We want the Jets to win (over Dolphins) as they would draft ahead of us if we finish tied at 9-7 (due to strength of schedule). FYI, whoever doesn't make playoffs between Miami, NE, and Balt. automatically will draft after us as they all have 10 wins. * We want the Eagles to win over Dallas (as if we needed MORE reason!) because if they lose they will draft before us (8-7-1 is worse thatn 9-7). FYI, whoever doesn't make playoffs between Dallas (Lions will be USING their pick from a trade) & Tampa will draft after us due to their sos being higher. If these 4 things happen, and we win, we will have the 15th selection in the upcoming draft. Basically, each of those "scenarios" constitutes a slot for us in the draft. So, somewhere between 15 & 18 seems most likely, but if you REALLY care about a couple of slots (us picking 13th), then your Christmas wish is for us to lose, etc. noted above... HAPPY HOLIDAYS! OH... And I wanted to point out what I thought was interesting when looking at this.... The Detroit Lions have, by far, the toughest SOS of anyone in football at .573, whereas the Tennessee Titans have, by far, the easiest SOS at .433.... just an extra nugget there. __________________ “Sometimes it is not enough to our best; we must do what is required.” - Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965) Last edited by Hail to the Redskins; 12-28-2008 at 01:46 PM.

12-24-2008, 02:24 PM	#2
BigHairedAristocrat Playmaker Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 4,712	Re: 2009 Draft Position & Who to Root for Sunday I also read somewhere that if we lose and finish last in the division, we get to play the Lions on the road and the Seahawks at home next year. If we win, we have to play two much tougher opponents - cant remember who they were, but it was something like Colts at Home, Steelers on the road... it made me kinda hope we lose, so we have an easier schedule next year. __________________ Dolphins get good press for saving drowning humans.But we only hear about the swimmers theyve pushed ashore.You know who we havent heard from: all the people theyve pushed out to sea.Dolphins dont know what theyre doing-they just like pushing things. Last edited by BigHairedAristocrat; 12-24-2008 at 02:39 PM.

12-24-2008, 02:34 PM	#3
Hail to the Redskins The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,687	Re: 2009 Draft Position & Who to Root for Sunday That's a great point about next year's schedule... like I said in another post, I am not on the bandwagon saying finishing 9-7 is such a big deal/great thing. __________________ “Sometimes it is not enough to our best; we must do what is required.” - Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)

12-24-2008, 02:44 PM	#4
GMScud Swearinger Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 12,626	Re: 2009 Draft Position & Who to Root for Sunday I understand it's perfectly rational to lay out these scenarios. I also understand the longer term benefit (next year's schedule, draft position) if the Redskins lose. I especially understand how it makes even more sense to look at it this way since we've been eliminated from the playoffs. However, I cannot, and will not EVER cheer for the Redskins to lose. Plain and simple. HAIL. __________________ Tardy

12-24-2008, 03:20 PM	#7
Hail to the Redskins The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,687	Re: 2009 Draft Position & Who to Root for Sunday More FYI... From what I read & understand... * The last place team (if we lose) from NFC East will play at Detroit Lions and at home against the St. Louis Rams (wow that's be weird... identical to this year) * The 3rd place team (if we win) will play at Green Bay Packers and at home against Seattle Seahawks to me .... that's a HUGE difference, because of 2 things... 1) Obviously, we would have an easier schedule (Lions instead of Packers jumps out!) by losing & finishing last... 2) If we win Sunday and Dallas loses, THEY would be last place in division, meaning THEY would get to play Lions/Rams!! If we win & Dallas wins, then Eagles would play Rams/Lions. Oh... Here is our exact schedule: Home: Dallas, Philadelphia, NYG, Saints, Buccaneers, Broncos, Chiefs, same place finisher from NFC West Away: Dallas, Philadelphia, NYG, Falcons, Panthers, Raiders, Chargers, same place finisher from NFC North __________________ “Sometimes it is not enough to our best; we must do what is required.” - Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965) Last edited by Hail to the Redskins; 12-24-2008 at 03:29 PM.

12-24-2008, 03:22 PM	#8
44ever Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: The Fortune Teller Posts: 2,512	Re: 2009 Draft Position & Who to Root for Sunday At this point all I already look forward to seeing is the Giants getting knocked out of the playoffs. I know I'm fast forward a bit but I can't stand the Giants. And say what you will about Dallas and Eagles. But for me the Giants really get under my skin.(No pun intended) I would like to see the Skins go out winning. If it means a tougher schedule next year, so be it. We are either good enough to beat them or no sence in getting in the playoffs next year. Draft is concerning but to many variables to worry about that. Go Skins!!!!!!!!!

12-24-2008, 03:53 PM	#10
Hail to the Redskins The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,687	Re: 2009 Draft Position & Who to Root for Sunday Well, like I said, in the original post... we can win sunday and still pick 15th. I just wanted to make Sunday more interesting for 'Skins fans by pointing out who else to root for in order to pick up 1 to 3 spots in the draft. I think the whole playing Lions/Rams instead of Packers/Seahawks IS a bigg deal... especially if we are the ones playing GB/Sea & Dallas is playing Det/StL... so while I am not necessarily ROOTING to lose, what I REALLY want is to play a bunch of the young guys Sunday... If we win, good news for the future with some guys that contribute well, if we lose because these guys are starting/getting majority of reps (Rinehart, Kelly, Thomas, Davis, Tryon), it helps us next year with an easier schedule and better draft pick... to me win-win. Too bad Cerrato totally disagrees (from Wash Post).. "No longer in the hunt for an NFC wild-card berth, the Redskins could use their final game as an audition for next season, giving rookies such as Rinehart and Tryon playing time with the first team. But with the opportunity to finish with consecutive victories, "we're looking to win the game," Cerrato said. Rinehart "hasn't played yet. It makes no sense to do that. How's that fair to [starting left guard] Pete Kendall? We're not into evaluating, we're into winning the last two games in a row." " __________________ “Sometimes it is not enough to our best; we must do what is required.” - Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)

12-24-2008, 04:11 PM	#11
SC Skins Fan The Starter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,555	Re: 2009 Draft Position & Who to Root for Sunday __________________ It has taken a long time, but I have finally realized that nothing I say about the Redskins will have any effect upon anything the Redskins do.

12-24-2008, 04:13 PM	#12
53Fan Franchise Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Kill Devil Hills, N.C. Posts: 7,570	Re: 2009 Draft Position & Who to Root for Sunday EXACTLY! __________________ Defense wins championships. Bring it!

12-24-2008, 05:32 PM	#15
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 37 Posts: 15,994	Re: 2009 Draft Position & Who to Root for Sunday With our cap situtation, wouldn't it make more sense to pick a few spots lower, considering the talent level is roughly the same? I mean, obviously, if it was a huge issue, we could just skip over a few picks and have a lower slot. But, you know, lots of discussion about the difference between pick 14-18. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

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